July 2, 2024
Sylvain Kerkour writes:
Rust adoption is stagnating not because it’s missing some feature pushed by programming language theory enthusiasts, but because of a lack of focus on solving the practical problems that developers are facing every day.
… no company outside of AWS is making SDKs for Rust … it has no official HTTP library.
As a result of Rust’s lack of official packages, even its core infrastructure components need to import hundreds of third-party crates.
cargo imports over 400 crates.
crates.io has over 500 transitive dependencies.
…the offical libsignal (from the Signal messaging app) uses 500 third-party packages.
… what is really inside these packages. It has been found last month that among the 999 most popular packages on crates.io, the content of around 20% of these doesn’t even match the content of their Git repository.
…how I would do it (there may be better ways):
A stdx (for std eXtended) under the rust-lang organization containing the most-needed packages. … to make it secure: all packages in stdx can only import packages from std or stdx. No third-party imports. No supply-chain risks.
[stdx packages to include, among others]:
gzip, hex, http, json, net, rand
Read Rust has a HUGE supply chain security problem
Submitter’s note:
I find the author’s writing style immature, sensationalist, and tiresome, but they raise a number of what appear to be solid points, some of which are highlighted above.
Is it? I would like to see some evidence for that.
Yeah I can guarantee that is not a significant reason for people to avoid Rust. If it was people wouldn’t use NPM, where the problem is even worse.
I do think it would be good to putt some more stuff in the standard library makes sense, or even just add some kind of official sanction of de facto standard library crates like
regex… But this author is an idiot.When comparing crates.io statistics
By downloads, 2023-2024 has been Rust’s best year so far.
@FizzyOrange @ericjmorey The Regex crate is already part of the rust-lang organisation on GitHub. I don’t know what you are asking for.
I am asking for some kind of official badge or something on crates.io. Currently it just looks like any other crate. Dart has a feature like this I believe.
And
regexwas just an example. There are other crates that should be officially sanctioned but aren’t.@FizzyOrange@programming.de It’s shown in the “owners”.
Regarding the crates that should be “officially sanctionned”, what would this mean besides a fancy badge?
It would mean a fancy badge, ideally being listed in the official docs, and probably some kind of promise about maintaining it.
This is just way too subtle IMO.
@FizzyOrange the Rust project is not an organisation you have a contract with. The only guarantee of maintenance you get are that of the MIT and Apache licenses.
@FizzyOrange And a lot of crates you would want to see “blessed”, are already in the Rust cookbook: https://rust-lang-nursery.github.io/rust-cookbook/
I clearly didn’t mean a legal contract. Come on.
@FizzyOrange My point is that regardless of whether it’s “blessed” by the Rust project, your only guarantee of maintenance is only that there are developers or other companies motivated to maintain the project. That also applies to individual parts of the standard library.
Just like with the non-blessed versions, you need to pay attention to who actually maintains it, and guess whether this crate or feature will be maintained in the long run.