That maybe we shouldn’t be treating anyone like that and that if we are going to have people work, yes even prisoners, should be paid a fair rate instead of pennies on the dollar.
I’m gonna pass on that and I’ve been locked up working those jobs. What are we treating them like? They have a choice…If you don’t want to, they don’t make you but believe me…you want those jobs…The fair rate is calculated after working in the cost of your housing, a victims compensation fund, your food and medical care… plus you get a reduction on your sentence and you aren’t institutionalized as bad…you never thought about that did you Toby? Now get to picking that cotton boy!
I’m definitely not a good person.and I hope you never meet the majority of the people I was around…Sure a few of them might be innocent of what they were serving time for but they have done a lot more than what they were caught doing and a lot of them spend their time networking with others in their trade and learn how to not make mistakes the next time.
I was in a discussion with someone else about a different subject.It would help if you read all my damn posts. But labor vs solitary is a choice therefore not forced bitch boy if you want to get technical
Well honestly I tried putting myself into this position mentally, to figure out how I might react. Would I refuse and take the punishment on principle? Do I think I’m strong enough to go through solitary for an extended period of time without permanent damage mentally?
The problem for me is that in that scenario I would feel that my punishment is prison, the loss of freedom, and that I was not sentenced to either slave labor or solitary confinement, both of which I consider immoral under any condition.
There is technically a choice, but that seems pointlessly reductive. I’d have to ask you if you feel like someone given the choice between losing their leg or arm would then be more responsible for the decision than the person who cut the limb off?
I think there is some distinction to be made between free action and reaction. If you are put in a position where you are forced to make a choice, then its not just the individuals fault for the choice they make.
Where I’m from in the US…You get time off your sentence, a better chance at parole, and a small check at the end of month depending on what you were doing…if you are lucky, you get to be outside on a golf course or a dog pound…I think mine was around 67 bucks a month…It’s a no brainer for most people unless you just like sitting around watching TV and listening to people bicker/fight/od all day. Yoda, you think you are?
Well I will say ive done that last part, its not so bad playing cards and watching tv all day, what’s hard is not having any control of who’s around you and where they go. If you end up with considerate people its not so bad.
I dont think the choice is between hanging out in the rec room or working for too little pay. We are talking about specifically when inmates are forced to work, or endure punishments.
That maybe we shouldn’t be treating anyone like that and that if we are going to have people work, yes even prisoners, should be paid a fair rate instead of pennies on the dollar.
I’m gonna pass on that and I’ve been locked up working those jobs. What are we treating them like? They have a choice…If you don’t want to, they don’t make you but believe me…you want those jobs…The fair rate is calculated after working in the cost of your housing, a victims compensation fund, your food and medical care… plus you get a reduction on your sentence and you aren’t institutionalized as bad…you never thought about that did you Toby? Now get to picking that cotton boy!
Yes, you just seem like such a good person.
I’m gonna stick with we should treat all people as people, not property.
Especially because in America there is a damn good chance they have done nothing wrong.
I’m definitely not a good person.and I hope you never meet the majority of the people I was around…Sure a few of them might be innocent of what they were serving time for but they have done a lot more than what they were caught doing and a lot of them spend their time networking with others in their trade and learn how to not make mistakes the next time.
You are confusing paid labor by choice with forced labor under fear of solitary.
Both exist, ones less bad. People are talking about the forced labor thing though, not the “working the kitchens” for 3$ a day thing.
Edit: would help if you’d read the damn post
I was in a discussion with someone else about a different subject.It would help if you read all my damn posts. But labor vs solitary is a choice therefore not forced bitch boy if you want to get technical
Well honestly I tried putting myself into this position mentally, to figure out how I might react. Would I refuse and take the punishment on principle? Do I think I’m strong enough to go through solitary for an extended period of time without permanent damage mentally?
The problem for me is that in that scenario I would feel that my punishment is prison, the loss of freedom, and that I was not sentenced to either slave labor or solitary confinement, both of which I consider immoral under any condition.
There is technically a choice, but that seems pointlessly reductive. I’d have to ask you if you feel like someone given the choice between losing their leg or arm would then be more responsible for the decision than the person who cut the limb off?
I think there is some distinction to be made between free action and reaction. If you are put in a position where you are forced to make a choice, then its not just the individuals fault for the choice they make.
Where I’m from in the US…You get time off your sentence, a better chance at parole, and a small check at the end of month depending on what you were doing…if you are lucky, you get to be outside on a golf course or a dog pound…I think mine was around 67 bucks a month…It’s a no brainer for most people unless you just like sitting around watching TV and listening to people bicker/fight/od all day. Yoda, you think you are?
Well I will say ive done that last part, its not so bad playing cards and watching tv all day, what’s hard is not having any control of who’s around you and where they go. If you end up with considerate people its not so bad.
I dont think the choice is between hanging out in the rec room or working for too little pay. We are talking about specifically when inmates are forced to work, or endure punishments.