Nah, whatever fella. We saw how you felt about it. Why are you returning to the trough now, weeks later?

Are we ?

I don’t think China wants to be the enemy of the US. They are the largest trading partner of the US. They seem genuinely interested in cooperating and bettering their own society. USians seem to be the ones bent on enmity. The US apparently thinks building infrastructure and developing the economies of other nations is ‘malign influence.’ The US killed citizens of allied nations through propaganda to ensure they wouldn’t become friendlier with China, who was offering them vaccines while the US and Europe were hoarding their own.

The US sees ‘being a large country and having influence’ as threatening, there’s no way to peacefully coexist with a country that sees everyone else as a threat by default.

Well we could devote those resources to solving the problems they are criticizing maybe. It would improve the lives of USians and undercut the arguments being brought up.

Spending billions to tell other countries that more infrastructure is actually bad is probably counterproductive and wasteful. Like how we spent money to kill Filipino people by telling them to avoid the Chinese produced covid jab.

“I don’t take other people’s values and convictions seriously, but some people respect them! WTF? I’m so TRIGGERED. I’ll comment about how much this bothers me instead of just ignoring it like a mature person.”

-this fella ^^^

For sure, liberals will always side with fascism when threatened, they are far more compatible with it than communism. And since being scratched is inevitable they will always have a fascism problem.

I think your prior comment could be taken as ableist, and there is no tolerance for that here, just as a warning.

I think American liberalism is distinct from other countries’ in that way, yes. My experience is that it’s not normal elsewhere. I think the free market strives to transcend national prerogative as well, that’s why Mises and Hayek were so keen to set up organizations like the IMF and WTO to enforce market order on nations without their interests getting in the way. Libs frequently support a “world system” over national interest in other countries.

As I said though, I can buy an argument in either direction, since fascism is so slippery as a term and the common usage of these ideas varies pretty widely. Maybe that’s too accommodating on my part. I dunno. I take your point though.

Please insult me directly, not neurodivergent people.

Yes.

You live in the biggest liberal country, it’s politics are liberal. It’s ruling parties are flavors of liberalism, you just aren’t aware of the terminology I guess. It doesn’t help that the conservative wing of the liberals here label their opponents liberal, it’s an easy misunderstanding to have.

I think that’s fair, I think there are enough distinctions (its strong nationalism and backward- looking revanchism aren’t innate to liberalism, I think there are real points of conflict where libs would usually depart from fascism, absent a threat from their left) that I would accept someone categorizing it as a form of liberalism or as a separate ideology if they support their view. I think for libs though it’s best to try and be charitable if it’s a distinction they recognize.

It has a definition I’m not sure why that’s such a difficult concept.

Unless you think Trump is like, a fascist (which I would entertain but you said you voted for him so I sincerely hope you don’t think that) he’s still within the bounds of liberalism. Free markets, liberty as individuals, private property, etc.

The liberal doesn’t understand what ideologies are!

M’Liege, I have retrieved yon bill for ye.

“(3) ACTIVATIONS OF AUTHORITY.—

“(A) DISCRETIONARY ACTIVATION.—The Secretary may activate the border emergency authority if, during a period of 7 consecutive calendar days, there is an average of 4,000 or more aliens who are encountered each day.

“(B) MANDATORY ACTIVATION.—The Secretary shall activate the border emergency authority if—

“(i) during a period of 7 consecutive calendar days, there is an average of 5,000 or more aliens who are encountered each day; or

“(ii) on any 1 calendar day, a combined total of 8,500 or more aliens are encountered.

Now you may say, “Aha, we have you hyperbolic hexbears now, it clearly says that the president doesn’t just get to shut it down until they figure out ‘what the hell is going on’!”

Which is correct. What it does is tie their hands such that they must shut the border down when an arbitrary number is reached, so they don’t have to actually do anything and can plead their powerlessness when it happens. After all it’s not up to them, it’s just a mandate of a conservative law… that they want to pass.

What’s more it makes me suspicious of you.

Genuinely curious, do you think it matters to anyone in an online forum if you are vaguely suspicious of them? I’m not sure why you would even say that. What are you trying to accomplish?

He’s a great favorite, he says he’ll never die.

Uhm actually, if you think about it it’s still harm reduction:

Think about how many Republicans Trump would appoint? Checkmate

Pasta e ceci! It’s chickpeas and noodles and tomatoes mostly, you fry the chickpeas in a little oil, add tomatoes and spices/garlic/what you like while you boil the pasta, and mush the beans a little. Then add the noodles and cook them into the sauce for a bit before it’s ready. You can add cheese but it’s definitely not essential, hearty meal that keeps you full at pretty low cost per serving, depending on what you add.