Cripple. History Major. Irritable and in constant pain. Vaguely Left-Wing.

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  • Was he even as bad as they say?

    Commodus was likely as bad as they say. Emperor Septimius Severus is said to have decried Marcus Aurelius for not strangling the kid when he had the chance. Of course, Septimius Severus’s kid would turn out to be a gruesome fellow like Commodus, so he doesn’t actually have much room to throw stones.

    I mean, probably, absolute power and all that, but from what I hear the madness of Caligula is severely overblown since the main sources we have on him are the Roman versions of tabloids, so maybe it’s similar with Commodus.

    Caligula revisionism is… very problematic. The most I would say there is that some of the pop culture interpretations of him are false, and some of the incidents mentioned as rumors by Roman historians are likely exaggerated. He was pretty unambiguously a tyrant and extremely arbitrary in his rule. If you take ‘madness’ as ‘detached from reality’, Caligula probably wasn’t mad. If you take ‘madness’ as ‘sociopathic and impulsive’, then Caligula was almost certainly mad.



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    … that consolidation of power wasn’t a problem until someone with The Wrong Views™ came into power suggests very much that the issue was not consolidation of power, but the ideology of the wealthy being threatened. You know, the same reason that they murdered democratically elected populist after populist.




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    They were protecting their power because Ceasar was consolidating power, not just for subjugation.

    I fail to see the difference. Caesar’s consolidation of power only concerned them because he was a lifelong populare. When the ultraconservative Sulla took the dictatorship, they fell over themselves to lick his feet, and when the opportunistic Pompey had all-but-subsumed the power of the state under his umbrella, they chose him to be their champion.

    He was committing genocide.

    This is an extremely dubious assertion I don’t want to get into right now, but I promise you that the conservatives who assassinated him didn’t give a single good goddamn about it. Every goddamn time this argument comes up it’s from someone who watches Dan Carlin. The argument is not taken seriously elsewhere outside of French academia, and there only for nationalist reasons.

    He used war and the destruction of foreign lands to upold flagrant triumphants.

    That is by no means unique to Caesar or even objectionable contemporarily. The destruction of foreign lands was what triumphs were all about, and triumphs happened, meaningfully, only under the Republic.

    The real question is, why do we still simp for the Romans?

    Because most of Western culture has roots in either Rome, Greece, or Germanic peoples (or Christianity, but Christianity sucks)?

    I vote we bring back the old ways. The Romaboo ways. Let’s make a statue of Obama as a Graeco-Roman god, purely for the lulz