I wonder, if neurodiversity plays any role. As far as I know, autistic people have been reported to have a higher percentage of difference in gender presentation, and the number of autistic amab have traditionally been higher. Though maybe that is now changing, as the diagnostic criteria has started to shift towards recognizing the traits more commonly showing in afab people… I have not read any recent studies about it, though.

I completely agree. It is disgusting: not the picture itself, but what is the story behind leading to it. I am glad these attrocities have been documented, even though I also feel so sad for the people, that had to become examples for it. I can only hope at least some consented to be photographed, or that adds just an another layer of disgustingness for the whole affair.

Oh thank you, for saying that. I sometimes want to reply on comments here, to be an another voice against all the misogyny and transfobia, but as an masculine presenting enby I feel like I am invading even doing just that. I have lived half of my life as a woman, and the other half as a man, so I am totally trans, but also just an enby, that manages to fit in a gender role enough to pass - so permanently in a weird position, where I do not belong anywhere, yet have experienced all sides. But I just hate how much misogyny lemmy is filled with! Makes me mad!

OP I’m so sorry you had to become part of these hateful prick being asshats, it definitely was not your fault in any way. They are just terrible people.

That is good to know, too!

No, they are not usually written except people sometimes doing it casually in social media, but because our lettering system is almost fully phonetic, it is very easy to write and read them if you just speak finnish. Also if you are native speaker, you kind of learn the certain fluidity in the core of the language, so you can pretty much understand the words even if they vary a lot (except people from Rauma, nobody understands them).

I really thought it would have been cracked by AI because it can translate finnish pretty accurately (not always…) and if you can do that dialects aren’t hard at all, but I was surprised to find that it still cannot! I am assuming it really is just because there are not enough written sources to teach from.

//Oh, and as a summary my main points were, that AI most definitely has not “solved” learning and translating languages as it yet cannot even translate a lot of things, and I guess also, that you cannot trust AI translations if the text translated is some obscure language you do not know. They can sound convincing and form coherent sentences, but the meaning can be fully incorrect.

I was just at a networking/research technology conference in Helsinki (TNC26) where the topic of nordic languages— especially minority ones—being under-represented by current automated transcription/translation tools came up in one of the side talks I attended. There’s some effort by various European NRENs and universities to train models on these languages so those tools can be more widely available to students, academics, and the public. The talk was about “Scribe” by SUNET (Swedish Research Network) hosting whisper models for this purpose.

That should be especially good for things like the multiple sapmi languages! At least in finnish you can already write in the proper “book language” and get pretty accurate translations, even though the dialects still escape that.

Also, Finnish is fucking hard lol. I can usually pick up a bit of language wherever I travel, basic phrases usually. But DAMN trying to nail the epiglottal sounds of even “Hyvää yötä” threw me!

It is usually especially hard to learn for indo-european speakers, so it is not just you struggling! Haha :)

Actually lets break it down, so it is clearer what the accuracy was. I will not talk about the mistranslations, though.

• I have come to the same conclusion as the previous poster. DeepL identifies correctly I agree with them, but fails to pick up the nuance of it. Pretty good.

• I am indirectly taking part in mocking techbros for thinking AI has solved language learning. This is referencing the previous post, so DeepL could not know that without context. It somewhat picks up I am saying AI-stuff has not solved anything.

• It correctly picks up I learned something about language yesterday and that someone fails at it, but it fails to identify I am talking specifically about dialects and fails to clearly convey it is AI that fails. It translates correctly I mistakenly thought the previous thing was true.

• I am saying AI could not properly answer to talking in dialect, referencing indirectly I am talking in dialect in the message. DeepL picks up that I am saying something is failing, but does not convey anything else correctly.

• I’m telling Google was the worst at translating, and that I found that hilarious. DeepL fully fails to translate the meaning, but translates the word “shit” acceptably, and conveys correctly something is funny.

  So what was lost in translation?

• Talking in dialect, and AI failing to translate dialects properly - Core part of the message, so really bad, that it was about dialects, was not conveyed.

• I am laughing at Googles translation abilities being the worst - Fails to convey this completely. Not a core part of the message, but still relatively important information.

• Nuance about thinking before agreeing - Leaving that out does not matter in casual conversation. If this was translation for a more “proper” thing, this could be bad though.

• Mocking techbros - This required context that wasn’t offered.

Oh, that is good to know. Here organic includes the highest standards for chicken wellfare, since they have to be let out etc., compared to just freerange that has tiny floorspace requirements, inside.

Yes.

Yeah I’ve been thinking the same. The greatest thing about these is that those algorithms and whatnot haven’t really even solved anything. Just yesterday I learned that fake/artificial-smarts can’t even translate dialects correctly, even though I thought they could. If you talk something like this for a bit they weren’t really able to answer that! Google especially was giving out complete shit, but it was pretty funny to read and laugh.

If it was unclear, the point is: pick a random finn from the street and they can translate that pretty much from word to word, even if they are from a complete different dialect speaking area, whereas even at best AI could give you only something towards it. I can only use obscure things, like this as an example, as I do not speak that many other languages, but if the languages do not have much written record online, they are not going to be properly translatable. We are still surprisingly far from not needing human translators.

//And yes, Google was hilariously shit. I managed to make couple normal sentences, without even trying, that it just gave up completely and did not translate at all, only removed some random letters.

I absolutely despise morons who smugly pronounce language learning and translation work “solved”

Juu sammoo miäkkii uonny uatelna. Kaekkee hienoenta tämmöttiissä uonku eip nuo alakoritmit ja semmottet oekkeest uo mittee ees ratkassukkaa. Miä eilispäevänä justiinsa opinni etteep tekoviksut ossoo ees kunnolla murutehia kientöö, vaek kyl miä nii luulinni juu. Tämmöttii kup vähäsennii huastelloopi ni eip hyö siihe oekkee mittee osannukkaa virikata! Kuukkels tuo etteenki se suols aenaki iha pelekköö paskoo, ol ihap hauskoo kyl lukkoo ja naaraa.

Also what should not be forgotten is that no therapy will fix things, that are outside your control. Especially health, finances… etc. If you are doing terribly because you have cancer, or something, no amount of talking will make it go away. It really is just strategies how to face the fact and not to crumble into sand. But sometimes there just are no strategies that help.

Also flying like superman is hard, but floating sideways, or becoming weightless and jumping, and then using wind and rooftops as points to fling yourself higher, is very easy.

I completely agree. I had to “downgrade” to Windows 10 (I cannot have linux on that computer, sadly), because 11 had just so many simple bugs, that affected everyday use very badly. Everything works so much faster with 10, the taskbar shows all programs, no file pictures change sizes like a disco light, and I can even read the file names on the desktop. I have used most of the consumer Windows versions, and never before have I had such a broken interface, that just kept breaking in different ways every update. And these were not “early issues”, this was last year.

Yes, tankies, please pack your belongings right now, and move to your dreamy wonderland. It is great there! Travel today!

And pacifism can only really exist, when you are capable of defending yourself, otherwise you are just at the mercy of your enemies.

Dozen is likely just technically easier, since if you split it in half, you get 6, but if you split 10 half, you get 5. And only 5 is harder to package. I’ve seen 4 eggs sold as well, but 6 and 12 are probably close enough, around the numbers people reasonably need.

You should always buy the organic ones, even if they are so much more expensive. The conditions in which the chickens are kept, to produce the cheap eggs, is absolutely, inhumanely fucked up. You can see the difference in the yolk as well: the ones produced by chickens, that are fed better, and not kept in a way they cannot even move, are orange, while the ones by chickens kept and fed horribly, are yellow.

Northern dialects

Voe ku miä uompii kuulo iästä puoloo iha. Täs onnii aenakkii kolometta murrettakkii varmoo sekasinnii, kup uon monessa paekkoo asununna, jos miä pelekästee ommoo pitäjästä huastelisinnii nip miut pystyhys iha kartaltakkii osottammaa, ja emmiä ny semmottee ryhy.

Voe voe, essiä pien kuul minnuu suap loekattuu yhytääp tuommottiilla ininöellä, taes tuop aeka palajo sinnuu satutellakkii ku noepittee ilikeellä. Mut sie alloetkii huastelloo miullep nii rumastikkai ny, eh eip tästäkköö ennee oekee mittee taiakkaa tullakkoo. Kuulehha mie pistännii miu hupiva tähö viel, ja si siä voet miut esteepi vaekka kup noen pistöö siulla vihaks oekkee. Piäs siäkii hauskoo päevettä! :)

Miulla onniinna par tuntihiha ollunna jop iha mahottomma hauskoop, ku näetä kup etteeki Kuukkelille syöttellööpi, ni melekeet kaik männööp iha pisi vittuva. Miä laitannii tähäp ny kuulkoos mittee miä kirijottelinniip ja si mitteepä tuop Kuukkel tämmöttiistä huastelop.

I’ve already had great fun for a couple hours, since feeding these especially to Google, almost everything gets all fucked up. I’ll put what I was writing here, and then what Google says about that.

I’m happy to say that for a few hours it was even more fun, when you see that you can’t feed Kuukkeli, and all the noise is so fucking loud. I’m going to put this here and listen to you, not me, but you, not Kuukkeli, from this mess.

Voe mahoton ku tuo taespa männännii polosella ihannii tuntehin astikkai, antooks vua ku emmiä ny sinnuu loekata meanannu, kuha huastella tahhoi. Kuuloha, emmiä uskonnakkaa kui surukiasti tuop tekoviksu oekee näetä tämmöttii muruhejuttuloeta kienteleepi, paitti ny ku ommin silimin oekee toisti ku lähinnii testaalommaa eh eihä tuop ymmärräkkää hevovittuakkoo :)