I disagree, cause how the code was produced is incidental. What should be discussed is the code itself, and the human should take ownership of the code. Most code is produced to solve a problem, it’s not school homework, The work the person should be doing is ensuring that the code is doing what they intended.

Compilers are incredibly complex things and the often have undefined behaviors that slip in because the compiler has to interact with the operating system at large, and that means the code actually doesn’t run the same on every platform, or even every version of the same operating system. So, while they are technically deterministic, the reality is that you get surprising and unexpected behaviors in practice.

Also worth nothing that the probability distributions for an LLM are fixed at training time, and that is why the weights are static. When doing inference, models are selecting from a top-k of probable tokens at each autoregressive loop for your typical LLM. When you adjust top-k to 1 or simply set the “temperature” to 0, it will always give you the same result from the same input.

Fun fact, the AI models will continue to be developed for the same reason the US gun problem has never been solved despite the solution being obvious. When

What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.

The reality of the situation is that there is an absolutely insane amount of money being poured into ensuring this tech will continue to be developed. The investors and the companies developing it do not care about public opinion in the slightest. So, as actual empirical research shows, your approach cannot work. But since you’re in a cult you’re unable to understand that.

Meanwhile, these companies are literally telling us what they’re actually afraid of which is open models.

here, worth noting that 14.00+ firmware blocks it now

But the elephant in the room here is that the way LLMs are used is just a symptom of the underlying problem. And that’s where the focus needs to be ultimately. However, until that problem can be solved, surrendering these new tools to capitalists would be absurd. There is already a power imbalance, and it would only get worse if we reject technology which the ruling class embraces.

all the undefined behaviors would like to disagree with you there champ

I’ll never recover from this. 🤣

I generally agree, there is a lot of hysteria over this tech, and it will eventually burn itself out. I just find it really disappointing that people on the left refuse to engage in a rational fashion with what’s happening, and what is to be done.

Nope, I’m of the technology is an artifact of the social order crowd, and I understand that attacking symptoms of underlying social relations which are the root causes is the height of idiocy.

It would indeed be pretty stupid to equate new technology with racism. The whole idea of having a moral stance against an inanimate object is the height of idiocy. I have a moral stance against the capitalist system and the way technology is applied within it, but you do you.

The only sect like behavior on here comes from people who think that this tech will just magically go away if they post enough ‘AI slop’ comments on a niche social media forum.

yeah seriously

Yet, here you are continuing to talk without saying anything of substance. I also love how in your mind, actually doing something practical about the problem of corps owning AI tools is conservative. Amazing mental gymnastics there champ.

And I don’t know what policy you think that I’m defending that goes against my arguments. But I guess we’ll never know since you won’t actually mention what it is.

My earlier arguments were that we should encourage open model usage to displace closed model usage. The whole problem I’m outlining in my argument is that as long as closed models are the only game in town, that’s what people are going to use. And the way forward is to provide credible alternatives. I even gave you a concrete example of Linux displacing Windows use which you studiously ignored.

Turns out you don’t think my AI stance is in good faith due to your poor reading comprehension and lack of critical thinking skills.

a paper from the occupied Korea point of view https://kiss.kstudy.com/Detail/Ar?key=4177303

it is rare 🤣

Very telling that you don’t actually provide sources for your state department talking points.

The whole conspiracy theory started with a claim of millions of Uyghurs being supposedly imprisoned story is based on two highly dubious “studies.”.

However, this claim is completely absurd when you stop and think about it even for a minute. That figure 1 million is repeated again and again. Let’s just look at how much space would you actually need to intern one million people.

This is a photo of Rikers Island, New York City’s biggest prison. The actual size of a facility interning ten thousand people.

According to Wikipedia, “The average daily inmate population on the island is about 10,000, although it can hold a maximum of 15,000.” Let’s assume this is a Xinjiang detention camp, holding ten to fifteen thousand people. How many of these would it take to hold one million people?

Let’s do some math:

In reality, one million people would probably take more space; all the supposed detention camps we see are much less dense than Rikers.

For comparison, San Francisco is 47 square miles. Amsterdam is 64 square miles. You’d literally need detention camps that total the size of San Francisco or Amsterdam to intern one million Uyghurs. It’d be like looking at a map of California. There’s Los Angeles. There’s San Diego. And look, there’s San Francisco Concentration City with its one million Uyghurs.

Literally visible to the naked eye from space.

CHRD states that it interviewed dozens of ethnic Uyghurs in the course of its study, but their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals. Based on this absurdly small sample of research subjects in an area whose total population is 20 million, CHRD “extrapolated estimates” that “at least 10% of villagers […] are being detained in re-education detention camps, and 20% are being forced to attend day/evening re-education camps in the villages or townships, totaling 30% in both types of camps.” Furthermore, it doesn’t even make sense from logistics perspective.

Practically all the stories we see about China trace back to Adrian Zenz is a far right fundamentalist nutcase and not a reliable source for any sort of information. The fact that he’s the primary source for practically every article in western media demonstrates precisely what I’m talking about when I say that coverage is divorced from reality.

Zenz is a born-again Christian who lectures at the European School of Culture and Theology. This anodyne-sounding campus is actually the German base of Columbia International University, a US-based evangelical Christian seminary which considers the “Bible to be the ultimate foundation and the final truth in every aspect of our lives,” and whose mission is to “educate people from a biblical worldview to impact the nations with the message of Christ.”

Zenz’s work on China is inspired by this biblical worldview, as he recently explained in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. “I feel very clearly led by God to do this,” he said. “I can put it that way. I’m not afraid to say that. With Xinjiang, things really changed. It became like a mission, or a ministry.”.

Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.

Zenz outlined these views in a book he co-authored in 2012, titled Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation. In the tome, Zenz discussed the return of Jesus Christ, the coming wrath of God, and the rise of the Antichrist.

The fact that this nutcase is being paraded as a credible researcher on the subject is absolutely surreal, and it’s clear that the methodology of his “research” doesn’t pass any kind of muster when examined closely.

It’s also worth noting that there is a political angle around the narrative around Xinjiang. For example, here’s George Bush’s chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here’s an excerpt:

US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they’ve been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west. In fact, US even classified Uyghur separatists as a terrorist group at one point https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-was-at-war-uyghur-terrorists-now-claims-etim-doesnt-exist/276916/

Here’s an interview with a son of imam killed in Xinjiang https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-19/Son-of-imam-assassinated-in-Kashgar-s-2014-mosque-attack-speaks-out-RqNiyrcRuo/index.html

Here’s an account from a Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on “atrocities” are lies. https://dailytimes.com.pk/723317/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-about-xinjiang/

It’s also worth noting that the accusations originate entirely from the west while Muslim majority countries support China, and their leaders have visited Xinjiang many times.

• https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/on-eid-xinjiang-imams-defend-china-against-u-s-criticism-1.5425967
• https://www.bolnews.com/latest/2023/07/pak-religious-leaders-nurture-bonds-of-cooperation-with-xinjiang/
• https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/islamic-envoys-say-china-is-protecting-minorities-in-xinjiang-after-five-day-visit

Also notable that whenever western media actually deigns to visit Xinjiang, which is not often, they’re unable to produce support for any of their claims of mass imprisonment and oppression, so they opt for insinuations instead https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9

There’s a further list of debunking here if you’re interested https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/

The whole thing is very clearly a propaganda blitz that US is cynically using to manipulate impressionable people in the west.

liberals are not ok 🤣

Which is that they don’t understand how statistics and probability work. The LLM generalizes patterns that get imprinted on the neural network during training, and then these patterns are expressed in the given context during inference. The stochastic aspect of the system is what allows the LLM to adopt generalized training to the specific problem being solved. So, the outputs LLMs produced are clearly not random in a sense of playing bingo because randomness is not the dominant property of the system.

have fun