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    10 months ago

    You were doing so well with the accurate criticism of the Hillary and Biden campaigns but then you had to resort to their own propaganda talking points 🤦

    Bernie Sanders is way too far left for most Americans

    Every policy position of his polls at 60-80% when not connected to his name. For that to happen, he has to be extremely personally unpleasant or the victim of an effective gaslighting smear campaign. By all accounts, he’s extremely caring and genuine, if a little crotchety, so that leaves one possibility.

    He was all over the news the entire time

    If by “he” you mean Trump rather than Bernie, you’re right. Compared to his standing as a realistic challenger for the nomination and thus the presidency, he received LAUGHABLE amounts of coverage in the media! Even when admitting it, they put him in the category “democrat but not her”. Same deal with the 2020 primaries. 🤦

    He was on the primary ballot

    Which doesn’t mean much when the people hosting and controlling the contests are blatantly taking sides against him, in violation of their own bylaws.

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      Every policy position of his polls at 60-80% when not connected to his name. For that to happen, he has to be extremely personally unpleasant or the victim of an effective gaslighting smear campaign. By all accounts, he’s extremely caring and genuine, if a little crotchety, so that leaves one possibility.

      Two, actually:

      1. Bernie Sanders was smeared and actual progressives actually believed it.
      2. Pollsters are frequently horribly wrong.

      Pollsters also said Hillary Clinton was going to win in a landslide, and it’s pretty hard to believe that bona fide progressives wouldn’t vote for a bona fide progressive, so I’m leaning heavily toward #2.

      If by “he” you mean Trump rather than Bernie, you’re right.

      No, I mean Bernie Sanders. I was blasted with Sanders spam constantly on social media in 2016. No one had any excuse for not knowing who he was and what he stood for.

      Same deal with the 2020 primaries. 🤦

      In the 2020 primaries, the biggest concern was making 200% sure Trump does not get a second term. The primary voters decided that the best way to do this was to elect a centrist that would appeal to the right-wing not-so-undecideds that this godforsaken country is so depressingly full of, and even that only barely worked. Maybe you disagree, and maybe you’re right and they’re wrong, but I’m sure you can understand that there was an extremely dire situation with absolutely no room for mistakes.

      If you want to fix that, fill Congress with progressives and pass a Constitutional amendment mandating approval voting or something similar. And yeah, that’s on us voters, too.

      Which doesn’t mean much when the people hosting and controlling the contests are blatantly taking sides against him, in violation of their own bylaws.

      I’m going to need some details on this before I can respond meaningfully.

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        10 months ago

        Pollsters also said Hillary Clinton was going to win in a landslide

        No, that’s another commonly believed distortion of reality. Pollsters concluded that there was a high probability that she would win the popular vote, which she did.

        That the polls were about the EC and that they mentioned anything about the size of victory is gross misunderstanding at best and much more likely a convenient way to deliberately sow doubt about data that proves leftist policy positions much more popular than your own, whether you’re a Republican or Republican Lite like the Dem leadership.

        It’s pretty hard to believe that bona-fide progressives wouldn’t vote for a bona-fide progressives

        Which means that bona-fide progressives, especially young voters, were discouraged by the constant fawning of the media constantly declaring someone who was NEVER a bona-fide progressive the inevitable winner and didn’t risk their job or jump through a ton of out of state voting hoops (in the case of college students) to vote against someone that both the commentators and the referees had already all but declared the winner.

        DID vote for both Hillary and Biden in the general at MUCH higher rates than Hillary’s followers did in 08, though.

        …and the rest of what you said was also as if it was taken directly from the notes of Neera Tanden, so I’m just gonna stop wasting my breath now. Have the day you deserve.