Worth unpicking a little of the Orwellian contortion of language that goes along with that. While “Nazi”'s generally will understood now, for what it historically is, what’s less well understood in some places, is that “Nazi”'s derived from “national socialism”, and from there we can critique what was (and what some still try to promote), was not (and is not) either nationalist, nor socialist. It was expansionist and domineering (among many other suitable descriptors (supremacist, jingoist, hegemonic, totalitarian, eugenicist, etc)). All quite the contrary to being nationalist, or socialist.
And, quite the example of the danger of the name changers. We’re fortunate to have seen Hitler for the rotter he was, and to have seen how rotten “Nazism” is, but I still wonder how much goodness (baby) got thrown out with the newspeak inversion and conflation (bathwater).
Similar to how Marx usurped the word “communist” (used by anarchists for at least 5 years before Marx took it) and handed it over to tankies and totalitarians, and the Cold War’s authoritarian Right, were only too eager to carry on the mislabeling of totalitarianism as communism, in their McCarthyian RedScare. One side of authoritarianism using “communism” as their pleasant sounding rebrand, the other side of authoritarianism happy to misuse the term too, to make “real communism” (anarcho-communism) unappealing, in being confused with the authoritarian ilk.
… How much of this then goes back to geography and crops… or secret societies and plots… There’s so many more cans of worms to explore.
I just thought that a good time to remind ourselves of the context. … & not all communists are totalitarians. (Arguably none are, if seeing through the Orwellian mislabelling.)
Maybe I am nitpicking here, but as a German the difference of facists and Nazis is an important one to make. Every Nazi is a facist, not every facist is a Nazi.
Nazis see themself in the tradition of the NSDAP, facists dont necessarily do.
I dont think the biden or Obama administration where in tradition of Hitler, even if there were facist tendencies long ago. I think trump, Vance etc. Are really acting in tradition of the specific German facists, the NSDAP and Hitler.
Yup. Good to point out the “all nazis are fascist, not all fascist are nazi” distinction logic. Thanks.
I kept trying to warn people, that merely moving “left” from the more purely corporatist fascism we are currently under, does not bring us to a better place. The “greater good” start getting served with totalitarian atrocities all the more, moving from a more Pinochet place to a more Hitler place. We have to get more freedom back too, in at least equal measure…
“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.” – Mikhail Bakunin
The genocide couldn’t happen without the USA support and the wedt in General. Even Russia and China are complicit. In this case the associate of the criminal charges is as serious as the one who commited the crimes
Zionism is similar to nazim they are both supermasist ideologies . Zionists leaders has the same goddamn rhetoric as Nazis and use similar terrorism acts and tactics. Stop whitewashing Zionism. Just because Nazism main target are jews and zionism main target is palestinians it doesn’t mean they are not similar. Similariry do not equals identity
was long nazi phase. [see OSS>CIA]
just malignant metastasising now.
good. now it’s bad enough to see, to evoke deploying remedies.
we are in a lot of trouble (and long have been ~ less so now that we know). we can still mend this.
It would be nice if it wasnt concurrent with the climate crisis, but what can you do?
Things relate more than most realize.
I dont argue against relations, I think differentiation sharpens your argument.
Sure there are relations between Mussolini and Hitler, both are facists, but only Hitler was a Nazi.
There are also relations between capitalism and facism, still they are not the same thing.
(Same goes for left politics, Marx and Stalin where both communists, but a Marxist is still different from a Stalinist)
Worth unpicking a little of the Orwellian contortion of language that goes along with that. While “Nazi”'s generally will understood now, for what it historically is, what’s less well understood in some places, is that “Nazi”'s derived from “national socialism”, and from there we can critique what was (and what some still try to promote), was not (and is not) either nationalist, nor socialist. It was expansionist and domineering (among many other suitable descriptors (supremacist, jingoist, hegemonic, totalitarian, eugenicist, etc)). All quite the contrary to being nationalist, or socialist.
And, quite the example of the danger of the name changers. We’re fortunate to have seen Hitler for the rotter he was, and to have seen how rotten “Nazism” is, but I still wonder how much goodness (baby) got thrown out with the newspeak inversion and conflation (bathwater).
Similar to how Marx usurped the word “communist” (used by anarchists for at least 5 years before Marx took it) and handed it over to tankies and totalitarians, and the Cold War’s authoritarian Right, were only too eager to carry on the mislabeling of totalitarianism as communism, in their McCarthyian RedScare. One side of authoritarianism using “communism” as their pleasant sounding rebrand, the other side of authoritarianism happy to misuse the term too, to make “real communism” (anarcho-communism) unappealing, in being confused with the authoritarian ilk.
… How much of this then goes back to geography and crops… or secret societies and plots… There’s so many more cans of worms to explore.
I just thought that a good time to remind ourselves of the context. … & not all communists are totalitarians. (Arguably none are, if seeing through the Orwellian mislabelling.)
Oh I know it’s connected, I simply lament it
Build an Orgone Accumulator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pllRW9wETzw [<- a Kate Bush song, hinting loudly]
The concurrency, is an intriguing clue, for the curious minded researcher. In how far back it goes.
Maybe I am nitpicking here, but as a German the difference of facists and Nazis is an important one to make. Every Nazi is a facist, not every facist is a Nazi.
Nazis see themself in the tradition of the NSDAP, facists dont necessarily do.
I dont think the biden or Obama administration where in tradition of Hitler, even if there were facist tendencies long ago. I think trump, Vance etc. Are really acting in tradition of the specific German facists, the NSDAP and Hitler.
Yup. Good to point out the “all nazis are fascist, not all fascist are nazi” distinction logic. Thanks.
I kept trying to warn people, that merely moving “left” from the more purely corporatist fascism we are currently under, does not bring us to a better place. The “greater good” start getting served with totalitarian atrocities all the more, moving from a more Pinochet place to a more Hitler place. We have to get more freedom back too, in at least equal measure…
“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.” – Mikhail Bakunin
True but they was supporting the terrorist state of israel who is acting like nazis since it’s creation
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The genocide couldn’t happen without the USA support and the wedt in General. Even Russia and China are complicit. In this case the associate of the criminal charges is as serious as the one who commited the crimes
Zionism is similar to nazim they are both supermasist ideologies . Zionists leaders has the same goddamn rhetoric as Nazis and use similar terrorism acts and tactics. Stop whitewashing Zionism. Just because Nazism main target are jews and zionism main target is palestinians it doesn’t mean they are not similar. Similariry do not equals identity