• Count042@lemmy.ml
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    2 days ago

    You went to a lot of trouble to answer a question no one asked.

    I ask again, did Rhodesia have a right to exist?

    I will remind you that the Europeans in Rhodesia also viewed their existence as an existential fight against barbarism.

    Apartheid countries always do.

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      21 hours ago

      It was actually no trouble at all to discuss Iran in a post about Iran. What would be weird is if I started bringing up non-existent countries from completely different continents.

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        In recent history there have been three apartheid countries.

        Apartheid South Africa (interestingly enough at the end they were ONLY supported by Israel which even then recognized they were an apartheid country) which peacefully gave equal rights to all citizens, even though they described the citizens with unequal rights as terrorists.

        Rhodesia, with delusions of grandeur of their own martial skill (huh, the metaphor is even better than I thought. I mean, who the fuck thought it was a smart idea to have a tank heavy army in an urban setting without screening infantry.) That fought against giving their unequal citizens rights militarily until they were defeated.

        And Israel. Whom every black person that lived through apartheid South Africa and has visited the West Bank or Gaza has described as being far worse in terms of humiliation and lack of rights.

        And you wonder why I bring up Rhodesia?

        At this point, defenders of Israel are as morally repugnant as every white person in the eighties that defended apartheid South Africa or Rhodesia.

        And no, a racist (which is a required attribute to defend apartheid) is not a diverse voice that should be represented.

        Oh and that racist country is currently trying to do everything in it’s power to start a war with Iran, and drag my country into it. Also, all the weapons that racist country uses is paid for with my tax dollars, so every one of the twenty thousand or more children it has blown up is someone that is dead through my money. So yeah, it’s very relevant. I’m sick of paying for Israel to murder children of a people whose land it wants.

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            7 hours ago

            Twenty thousand child blown up, or shredded by shrapnel, or buried alive in a year. Multiple torture camps that keep civilians and doctors tied up tight enough that limbs are amputated regularly, the regular intentional targeting of medical personal, an apartheid government based on race.

            That’s what you defend.

            I don’t agree or like Iran’s government, but I don’t want a war with them. It says so much to everyone here that you read that as supporting them.

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              6 hours ago

              I don’t agree with or like Israel’s government, which I have stated publicly multiple times.

              I’m not sure what you are trying to accomplish here, or what your obsession is with a country that existed for a dozen or so years half a century ago.

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            13 hours ago

            I saw no defense of Iran in their comment. Like do you think everyone reading this cannot see exactly what you’re trying to do?

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                Do you really not see how Israel attacked Iran twice in an attack that would constitute an act of war with every other country in the world?

                I love how you don’t mention that the US promised Iran a peace treaty if they ignored Israel assassinating an ambassador to the country in Iran’s capital.

                How bad faith do you have to be to pretend that Israel isn’t the crazy one attacking everyone first and committing acts that the former head of the CIA described as a terrorist attack.

                Israel is trying to enact a nihilistic regional murder spree, and it is obvious to everyone that isn’t okay with the systematic slaughter of children.