Too much stuff just doesn’t add up to me.
- His family is very rich. They own at least one country club, possibly multiple, and he graduated from an Ivy League school. The wealthy class have phenomenal healthcare in the US so why would anyone rich want to whack a healthcare CEO?
- Why would any intelligent killer keep the murder weapon, the jacket he was wearing, the fake ID he used near the scene, and a manifesto on his person a week later? How incredibly convenient for the pigs to find.
- Why would any intelligent killer, with a wealthy family, be out in public at a McDonald’s less than a week later, and not lying low on family property somewhere for months?
- Why does Luigi have such an obvious digital footprint when the Adjuster planned so well? In less than a day the media dug up stuff like his Goodreads account.
- Why do the photos the NYPD released look like at least 2 different men?
- Why did a grand jury indict Luigi so fast?
I think the real Adjuster is still out there and the pigs are absolutely desperate to have a “solved” class warfare incident. Luigi is either a plant or he’s unlucky to have been nearby, doing “Suspicious Stuff”, and is being framed with plenty of planted evidence.
Edit: Luigi claimed in his bail hearing that he had no clue where the $8,000 in cash he was “arrested with” came from and suggested it was planted on him. The prosecutors used it to deny him bail on the basis that he was “evading authorities”. The pigs also claimed he had an additional $2000 in “foreign currency” on him, and that to me sounds like an obvious lie or plant to make him look like he intended to leave the country and get his bail denied
His family is rich but not wealthy or billionaire rich. Maybe goes to show that healthcare costs have gotten so exorbitantly expensive that the petit bourg can’t afford it either.
Possibly. I am still remaining skeptical they got the actual guy.
Less seriously: the media expect me to believe that Altoona Pennsylvania is a real place and some guy named Luigi Mangione isn’t a character from a mobster B-movie?
C’mon. No way those are real names.
I think falling into conspiracy minded thinking regarding this is silly. The simplest answer is that this guy wanted to get caught, or it didn’t matter to him if he was caught.
If he wanted to get caught, why did he take so many precautions and leave no no trace during the killing and escape? Doesn’t make much sense. If he wanted to get caught and make a big show, he likely would have done it that day.
Seems to me like the NYPD was extremely embarrassed by this, and is pinning it on the most plausible tip they got so far, to keep everyone happy.
So the NYPD planted the fake IDs, wrote a manifesto, and snatched this random guy, who had a clear motivation based on his own posting history? A guy who just happened to go off grid for several months before getting randomly picked up by the cops at a McDonald’s? A guy that friends were worried about because he stopped communicating with them? Just got this incredible golden goose right out of the clear blue sky, and reported by a guy working at the McDonalds. Was the McDonalds worker actually an undercover NYPD officer or something?
The NYPD is either highly militarized, trained by the IDF in both surveillance and urban combat, operate outside the law using unconstitutional technology and techniques, are the 8th largest standing army in the world, operate in a city with the highest number of CCTV cameras in the US, or they are all the Springfield Police Department operated by Chief Wiggum and his band of merry men.
The reality is, whether you like it or not, is that A) the public aided in capturing this guy and only the terminally online were projecting themselves onto him, and B) The NYPD is more capable than you would like to admit, which frankly is a bad assumption to make.
Listen, I get that we all want a new John Brown for a modern age, but this guy isn’t him. You can have a good plan that has no long-term exit strategy. You can have a long-term exit strategy that falls apart after trying to come to terms with what you just did. If anything, playing up the idea that this guy was some methodical mastermind only plays into the NYPDs position that he is a methodical mastermind. It is very likely the NYPD will attempt to plant evidence on him to make him live up to the larger than life image the country and media projected onto him because it only makes the NYPD look better. The nation couldn’t track down Ted Kaczynski for months in the 90s, and here is the brave and violent NYPD catching Kaczynski’s disciple in just over a week.
Ultimately, he performed the most brazen act of propaganda of the deed in well over 100 years in this country. He exposed a commonality that crosses the ideological borders of the left, and right within the working class, even if accidentally. Recent history shows us that rightists are far more likely to take direct action against a perceived enemy than leftists. This guy is clearly a center right liberal with a real personal grudge against the medical industry. His reading intake was nothing but descriptions of symptoms with no real conclusions. The book referenced by the casings is not an anti-capitalist book, and it explicitly states it’s not anti-insurance either. It’s a manifesto for more federal regulations, ignoring all contradictions that exist outside the industry that leads to it operating the way it does. It has no actual concrete plan on “what you can do about it”, despite the subtitle. Unless “you” are some regulatory golden goose who can live outside the contradictions of capitalism. It summarizes perfectly this guy’s center right liberal perspective. It’s like killing a CEO and writing “Disappointment”, “Interest”, and “Money” on the shell casings as a reference to John Keynes.
who had a clear motivation based on his own posting history?
You are looking at one person. There were probably thousands of tips, and dozens of candidates they could pick from. If they were to show you all the other likely candidates, I doubt it would seem as clear to you.
To me its much easier to assume that evidence was planted or made to fit, rather believing the NYPD that he happened to be carrying a bunch of incriminating items but ultimately nothing that links him to the scene, on his person.
Just got this incredible golden goose right out of the clear blue sky, and reported by a guy working at the McDonalds. Was the McDonalds worker actually an undercover NYPD officer or something?
I agree that sounds too good to be true, which is probably why it isn’t. There were probably thousands of these type of tips.
It could literally be me and I dress exactly as that guy right now. If I were to put on a nice smile in my current outfit they could literally have bagged me, planted evidence on me and the same exact thing would be happening. Only thing missing is that I was at work when it happened.
If anything the outfit he chose was pretty perfect for getting a deluge of false tips.
Ok. That is a considerable difference.
This is the one I’m thinking of. Gotta be magic medial eyebrow growth in a week for those to be the same guy.
Edit: Also his nose bridge isn’t the same and the guy’s nose looks smaller than Luigi’s overall even behind the mask.
To be fair if you look at his arrest pics/mugshots it looks like he plucked his brows.
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Yeah this seems entirely plausible as a way to quickly close the case so as to not give anyone any interesting ideas.
It doesn’t add up for me either, but on your first question: you can fight for justice and have empathy for people without a particular issue affecting you personally.
See LGBT allies for an easy example. It’s pretty normal to care about issues that aren’t yours, e.g. all the support Palestine is getting, even though most people supporting it have never been there and don’t know a single Palestinian.
A principled person usually cares about more than themselves.
His family is very rich. They own at least one country club, possibly multiple, and he graduated from an Ivy League school. The wealthy class have phenomenal healthcare in the US so why would anyone rich want to whack a healthcare CEO?
I think he had broke his back during a wrestling match or something in Hawaii, he was using this private healthcare clinic, he felt like his treatment wasn’t doing anything to help him. So he killed the CEO as revenge. He also has Lyme disease and severe brain fog.
Why would any intelligent killer keep the murder weapon, the jacket he was wearing, the fake ID he used near the scene, and a manifesto on his person a week later? How incredibly convenient for the pigs to find.
He is probably stupid, and if he was caught, he wanted the police and press to have his manifesto, that’s why people write manifestos.
Why would any intelligent killer, with a wealthy family, be out in public at a McDonald’s less than a week later, and not lying low on family property somewhere for months?
He likes mcdonalds, and he probably thought no one would recognize him.
Why does Luigi have such an obvious digital footprint when the Adjuster planned so well? In less than a day the media dug up stuff like his Goodreads account.
he is stupid
Why do the photos the NYPD released look like at least 2 different men?
The NYPD are stupid
Why did a grand jury indict Luigi so fast?
They really want to punish the assassin
I think he had broke his back during a wrestling match or something in Hawaii, he was using this private healthcare clinic, he felt like his treatment wasn’t doing anything to help him. So he killed the CEO as revenge. He also has Lyme disease and severe brain fog.
How do we know this?
I saw some stuff online and there was a CNN Interview with his friends.
I would refrain from calling him stupid. If this is the guy he still managed to pull off the most high profile assassination since Kennedy and get away with it for nearly a week (assuming it is actually him)
It is bizarre, I’ll grant you, but some people lack common sense. There are people who’ve led such charmed lives they don’t consider the down side with any seriousness, because they’re incapable in some sense. The background noise of their lives is to feel untouchable by life’s sordid underbelly by virtue of their own privilege.
I get that it doesn’t make (common) sense. Why keep a 3D printed gun? Worse, wear the same clothes and spend time in a building filled with people who could use the reward money just to be able to afford groceries and gas. A handwritten manifesto is less weird when you consider how popular journaling is with the kids and young adults right now.
A middle aged white woman who dropped out of high school would probably do better at not getting caught based on the high probability of having absorbed months worth (in real time) of true crime. Jokes aside, I get the doubt regarding his reported lack of common sense.
But privilege and a charmed life can do that, can make you dumb in other ways.
Also, have you ever pulled up the images for the Floyd protests in Portland OR? A sea of white. I challenge you to find black faces in those crowds. My point being, standing up for “the other” is done. This is a hallmark of liberal elite in it’s true essence Vs whatever it is right now, especially over in DC. Mr Luigi over here pissed about healthcare and engaging action for it (not endorsing or encouraging) when he’s probably had healthcare without issue his entire life just means he has empathy.
ETA: or I’m completely wrong, green text just posted this: https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences.
that’s the fake substack made by some rando the day he was arrested.
His actual substack exists and has historical proof
https://substack.com/@anotherdayanotherplay
Proof this was the real one.
Anyone read Fahrenheit 451 and the bit towards the end where the police prove the robot dog always gets his man?
The grand jury already indicted him? Wat
Yep, he’s already been charged with 5 separate crimes in New York and at least two in Pennsylvania. It happened about 6 hours ago. That’s lightning-fast, isn’t it?
Well… it’s not like he’s Trump and running for President.
They’re polishing up the electric chair as we speak
A grand jury can indict someone in less than 10 minutes. I’ve been in one when it happened. There are no rules about how much evidence the prosecutor has to present, just that the grand jury has to reach the numbers needed to indict. The only reason a grand jury is delayed is because the cops or prosecutor is taking their time about it. Since we know that the cops and prosecutor care about rich folks and want to make sure they’re ‘taken care of,’ it makes sense that this was brought in as the first case on the prosecutor’s list.
He does really look like the taxi pic tho. Also it may be that he wanted to get caught. Maybe given his profile and background he might think he can have an impact, proving the rich they’re not safe in their class either, to watch out for traitors inside. Maybe he has something to say, now his face is everywhere.
His wanting to be caught would answer several of my questions, but makes me question his motives and plans even more relative to what happened.
If he wanted to be caught, why even flee New York? Why visit multiple cities in Pennsylvania after leaving NY? Why use a fake ID at all?
One way it could make sense is if the Adjuster initially intended to lay low and move on, but once he saw how positive the social media reception was he decided he’d take credit for it and try his luck convincing one of twelve jurors to nullify.
Maybe he had some loose ends to tie, he had to to do something before giving his life away.
Or it’s not him
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