• NuPNuA@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    The Nazis played on Germans agrievement over how they were treated post WW1 to gain support, Gaza only ended up on the situation it is now because surrounding countries kept attacking Isreal over the last 70 years and lost land to them, then Hamas/the PLO/etc have played on similar agrievements to get themselves into the leadership position and have now lead them into a war.

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      Gaza only ended up on the situation it is now because surrounding countries kept attacking Isreal over the last 70 years and lost land to them, then Hamas/the PLO/etc have played on similar agrievements to get themselves into the leadership position and have now lead them into a war.

      Just FYI, Gazans are refugees who were forced to the Gaza strip by… ISRAEL! Woohoo.

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        1 year ago

        Yes, war creates refugees, always has. Maybe all those surrounding nations that went to war with Isreal should have considered that.

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        Yes, and when you do that, no journalists will chase you to scream, “BUT DO YOU CONDEMN ISRAEL?”

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        1 year ago

        No, not no culpability, but understandable reasons for what they’ve had to do for their own safety over the years.

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            1 year ago

            Seems to be the escalation was Hamas invasion of their country on Saturday from where I’m sitting.

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              Gaza is not Hamas and Hamas is not Gaza. Those children are innocent and they’re nearly half the population, as the post says. When you put a huge number of innocent people under siege, and kill more of them than were killed on your side, you’re escalating.

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                Like it or not, Hamas are the defacto leader of Gaza, voted for in 2006. You can make all sorts of arguments about what’s happened after that, but if the people of Gaza have made no attempt to remove them from leadership since then this is the outcome.

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                    1 year ago

                    How many children voted for various governments that lead their countries to war throughout history?

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                  Hamas are the defacto leader of Gaza, voted for in 2006. You can make all sorts of arguments about what’s happened after that, but if the people of Gaza have made no attempt to remove them from leadership since then this is the outcome.

                  Sure, let’s blame the civilian Palestinian deaths on the Israelis that voted this current gov’t into power…

                  Oh wait, this isn’t how it works

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                    1 year ago

                    What? The Isrealis were moved out of Gaza before the 2006 elections.

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      Israel didn’t exist there prior…

      They took land (rather, were given land by western empires that wasn’t there’s to give) and kicked out and killed those who were there. Yeah, that’s didn’t create any resentment at all I’m sure and it’s all the attacks that happened in response that caused it.

      Someone else can always be blamed. To act like Israel doesn’t share in the blame is probably one of the most ignorant statements I’ve heard.

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        Actually, we did have the right to give out that land as we won it from the Ottomans.