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“Norway is the world leader when it comes to the take up of electric cars, which last year accounted for nine out of 10 new vehicles sold in the country.”
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How are they doing on developing public transportation infrastructure, though? That is going to be far more impactful longterm, and is the only way to build a sustainable transportation network.
When I went to Oslo I only took public transport.
I even used to to take the bus to the forest. I walked into the bush for hours then slept. Decided I couldn’t be bothered walking back. Checked my paper map and walked into a one road town/suburb and took the bus back. That’s how much faith I had that some random place would have a regular bus going to the city centre.
Not surprising. Norway seems to be driving a lot of development away from excess energy use and oil. Not only in transportation, but also in real estate.
I know little of all projects there, but what I do know makes me want to go there and learn how to do better. When (not if) electric uptake nears 100%, like in Norway, things will start to happen in the market. Petrol stations, refineries etc. will see a very different demand, which will propel much needed change!
Can someone tell me how? EV’s perform terribly in extreme cold. If the car starts at all, the battery life absolutely tanks. We’ve had entire charging stations unable to function through the past couple weeks, as temperatures plummeted in many states.
Toyota had it right. We really need to be pushing for hydrogen cars. EV’s simply can’t perform in extreme cold, and the batteries explode or catch fire in extreme heat. That’s not the tech we should be investing in to carry us through the extreme temperature swings we’re experiencing during climate catastrophe.
I think the only logical conclusion would be EV actually work better in the cold than what you have been told. Maybe that’s the same for charging stations or maybe Norway builds to a standard that fits their climate and doesn’t cut corners.
It’s not just what I’ve been told. I’ve personally experienced the issues, as have thousands of others dealing with EV extreme cold problems the past couple of weeks in the eastern US.
If anyone has any further info, I’d love to find out what Norway could possibly be doing to address a fundamental issue with the technology. All I’ve been able to find is some workarounds to keep the cars still running, and just accepting worse performance in extreme weather.
I don’t understand why anti-hydrogen prejudice is so prevalent that we’ll put up with EV limitations before considering alternatives. Smells like EV investor propaganda & sunk cost fallacy to me.
My own prejudice against hydrogen is around manufacturing.
Most of the world current hydrogen made isn’t green at all, and the message is “we’ll figure it out once demand is up”
And the companies pushing the most for hydrogen are petrol companies.
I’m not a chemist, but it doesn’t seem to add up to me.
I say that as an EV owner living in Canada. I need to use a fast charge station about 4 times a year due to cold related battery issues, and all of those time are because of extended road trips.
It’s not impossible to produce hydrogen in an environmentally friendly way. We just need to further increase efficiency, and move the energy source to renewables and nuclear to power the electrolysis. The EV charging stations have the same issue, often being powered fossil fuel plants.
But it is impossible to manufacture EV batteries in an environmentally friendly way. We’re just expected to accept it.
Plus the performance of EV’s vs hydrogen always uses data gathered in ideal conditions, but hydrogen is leaps and bounds more efficient in extreme weather. We need to be highlighting that, as climate change begins to make extreme conditions the norm and ideal conditions disappear.
Norway got rich with petroleum products. Bunch of hypocrites.
What are you thinking makes them hypocrites? Doesn’t seem like doing something bad for the planet, then improving things is hypocritcal unless they start claiming they’ve always been perfect. At any rate, veats doubling down on petroleum like the US are currently doing.
They have not stopped exporting fossile fuels and to my knowledge at least they also don’t plan to do so in the near future.
“Got rich”
The profits are going in a fund that is kept for later on, it doesn’t affect people’s current finances. The only idiots here are all the countries that didn’t nationalize their natural resources to do the same.
Alberta’s oil reserve is massive compared to Norway, what they have to show for it is 18B while Norway has 1.75T saved.
“A FunD THaT iS KepT FoR LatEr On” aka they invest it in the stock market, making the climate crisis worst. And they are still profiting off oil exploitation.
Fuck norway
They vote against CEOs that aren’t working to prevent climate change. Not all stock market investments make the climate crisis worse.
Fuck your disinformation.
They own shares in Solvay (https://www.nbim.no/en/investments/all-investments/#/), who notoriously poisoned a whole italian village with Dioxine.
https://www.justice.gov/archive/atr/public/press_releases/2006/215056.htm https://www.icij.org/investigations/pandora-papers/solvay-italy-new-jerey-chemical-plants-offshore/
They own shares of Coca Cola, who paid for dead squad in latin america to attack unionists
They own shares of Pfizer, who corrupted the european commissions president during COVID https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizergate.
They have shares in Airways, automobile industries, gas companies, petrochemicals, real estate,… Do you understand how capitalism work? The minute there will be a conflict between their financial interest and sustainability, they will pick the former.
Fuck norway
They own shares in Solvay (https://www.nbim.no/en/investments/all-investments/#/), who notoriously poisoned a whole italian village with Dioxine.
https://www.justice.gov/archive/atr/public/press_releases/2006/215056.htm https://www.icij.org/investigations/pandora-papers/solvay-italy-new-jerey-chemical-plants-offshore/
They own shares of Coca Cola, who paid for dead squad in latin america to attack unionists
They own shares of Pfizer, who corrupted the european commissions president during COVID https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizergate.
They have shares in Airways, automobile industries, gas companies, petrochemicals, real estate,… Do you understand how capitalism work? The minute there will be a conflict between their financial interest and sustainability, they will pick the former.
Jesus I didn’t know it was that bad
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One have to be an idiot to imply the blind search for profit isn’t the ultimate cause of the climate crisis.
Fuck your greenwashing, idiot.
While I mostly agree with your argument, the personal attacks are both unecessary and against our site rules.
Maybe it should be against your site rules to simp for planet-destroying capitalists?
Maybe it’s time to realize insults won’t do anything to change someone’s opinion, while tanking the civility of a discussion.
Firmly with the mod on this one.
They didn’t get high on their own supply and got a massive national fund from it. A bit hypocritical but definitely nicely played. Better than most other countries who used that money for ego projects or imperialistic madness.
nah a lot of their stuff get subsidised by the EU too from what I’ve heard, I think the flip side of it is that they have long training and internship periods so almost everyone is in their 30s by the time they get anywhere. The irony is worrying about global warming when you live in a frozen hell.
Norway isn’t even an EU country though?
Wait so as an european living car free in a city I’m subsidizing the lifestyle of some rich fucks living in a fjord?
That’s it, i’m doing tax evasion.
As a rich fuck living in a fjord I thank you for your contribution
You’re welcome
The only reason Norway can afford electric cars is because of the wealth that comes from its oil and gas industry. This is why Norweigans who can afford to buy new cars can also afford electric cars.
So … yay?
That’s a load of bullshit, how is money going to a pension fund making the people richer when no money was withdrawn from it until 2016 even though it has existed since 1990?
They have a flat taxation rate of 22% with sales taxes at 25%. Compare that to the US with billionaires paying no taxes at all…
Money is taken from the sovreign wealth fund every year. However, it is not taken from the savings, but from interest. A maximum of 3% of the funds value can enter the budget, as decided by the budgetary rule.
Oil also makes people richer because it provides industry and jobs.
However, the reason people can afford electric vehicles is that they are excempt from value-added tax. VAT on new cars is quite high in Norway, so if this shaves $40 000 off the price of a new car it obviously makes them more lucrative by comparison.
It’s a political decision, it’s not that all Norwegians walk around with fuck you money and buy the most expensive cars on the market just for fun.
Interest they get from their investments in companies like Solvay, Coca-Cola and Pfizer.
Not sure what point you’re making, but it is indeed invested in a bunch of companies.
It’s all listed here. Microsoft, Apple, Nvidia, Google/Alphabet, Amazon, and Meta are the biggest ones. Nestle, Exxon, Shell, UnitedHealth, and Tesla are some other good ones if you’re looking for evil companies.
Microsoft, apple, google, amazon and meta ARE evil companies though
some other good ones
Not really. They have a very simple tax device that ensures EVs are cheaper than thermal cars. China has put in place something similar. It is not a rich country thing. It is about being serious about its transition
I wonder whether they even buy EU car brands like Peugeot lol
We do. Lots of teslas and asian brands though. But we have seen more and more of the “normal” brands as well these last few years.
Which is just making all cars more expensive for everyone, meaning that Norweigans who can buy new cars are wealthy enough to buy expensive cars.
China has put in place something similar
So what. Nice red herring.
The cost of the EVs are in black and white listed on any dealers website in norway.
They are stil, on average, 3 times the price of an ICE vehicle.
They are not subsidised to parity, far far from it.
The tax has just trippled the cost of vehicles.
Do you haver a source for that?
I have read they reached parity, I would be happy to have a way to contradict that.
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Three times the price
So, you live in the early 2000s?
So, you make bullshit up. Read the comment in its entirety.
So, you are ether uninformed or a liar… Got it!
Edit: Here are some real numbers. If you are even interested…
The real reason is because they have taxed the shit out of ICE’s and EVs was exempt from a lot of taxes.
So for a lot of people, it really only makes sense to buy an EV because it is so much cheaper.
