The Left Party says “there shouldn’t be any billionaires.” With Germany gearing up for an election, the far-left force has launched a new tax plan — though it will most likely never get a chance to implement it.

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    The green party (Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) is moderate left and fully supporrs Ukraine. I’m probably gonna vote for them. The war is only going a few years yet, so I wouldn’t call it a “forever war”. I’ve seen a lot of wars come and go in my lifetime and I think this one will end in a few more years or less. It’s just very important to teach russia a lesson, they can’t just attack others without serious consequences. It’s not just important for Ukraines future, but for all mankind. Ukraine and the heroes risking and giving their life on the battlefield for our future deserve our full support for teaching russia that lesson. If the war ends before russia learns that, they will soon attack another friendly neighbour, so it’s either fight now or fight even more later. It’s unfortunate, but sometimes you just gotta resist and fight back for a better future.

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      The green party is as bellicist as it gets. It supported every single military intervention INCLUDING IRAQ. You guys are literally voting for the baddies

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      It’s incredibly easy to teach others lessons when you have nothing at risk, now or in the future.

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        Ukraine risks a lot to teach that lesson and they have my full support. It’s not easy tho, because there are people like you trying to send us all to our doom.

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          Yes, it’s easy to teach lessons when you are taking no risk and losing nothing.

          It’s not so great for the Ukrainians who were forcibly drafted at the end of a gun, so Germany can teach Russia a lesson.

          If you think any of nuclear Europe is ever at any risk from Russia, you’re too stupid to breathe, much less have an opinion on the matter.

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            You are arguing in super-bad faith.

            No one is forcing Ukraine to right but Russia.

            How in your mind does not sending them help teach anyone a lesson? Fuck allies who are defending themselves?

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              No, I’m disagreeing with you. That’s not arguing in bad faith and trying to claim that is simply nonsense to protect your echo chamber generated views.

              You’re right, no one is forcing Ukraine to fight Russia, except every international aid agency. Oh and Black Rock now that they’ve purchased large swaths of Ukrainian land. But more importantly Ukraine isn’t it’s people. It’s never been a democratic state by any standards, until 2014 it was downright considered despotic. But that government that does not have consent from the majority of its people is forcibly conscripting men off the street to fight and die in a war they clearly don’t want to fight. While this is happening the Ukrainian government has massively enriched itself.

              Not sending them help, and instead treating them like any other war victim would be the fair thing. Take in the refugees. Resettle anyone that doesn’t want to speak Russian or go to the meat grinder. Sanction Russia.

              Ukraine isn’t an ally to anyone, it’s an investment opportunity for billionaires. That’s about it. Let’s not depopulate it and let the land be given away.

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                Nope, it is bad-faith.

                Person A: it is important to teach Russia a lesson so they think twice about invading.

                Person B(you): that is easy to say when you are in no danger.

                That is a strawman. You are right that it is easy to say something like that when not in danger, but this doesn’t mean it is not important to have Ukraine stand up to Russia.

                After that you just waffle about stuff you wanted to say anyway.

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                  …no Patrick, pointing out problems in your argument is not bad faith or a strawman.

                  If you think its important, stop being a fucking sniveling coward and go fight. You people have no problem invading brown, black, and Asian people that threaten your master races rule over the world, but since it’s someone that can fight back you want to sacrifice someone else to do it.

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                Wow, where from did you get your info?

                Ukraine government does not have majority? Forcibly conscripting? That’s Russia, you got your wires crossed.

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                  Sure sure. Anyway since there’s videos and news stories on the first page of Google proving me right you enjoy being propagandized by a nation that’s still more corrupt than any EU or Asian country.

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        First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.

        Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.

        Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

        Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


        The risk for not helping the Ukrainians is that this will set precedence the collapse of the international order and institution that prevented major wars since World War 2, because the international charter explicitly forbids violating another nation’s sovereignty. If no one speaks out or support Ukraine, then it will be you and your loved ones next in the next world war.

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          Don’t you fucking dare recite the anti liberal poem against me from a .world account.

          Also, what fucking bullshit are you speaking? Nearly every EU country has violated no less than a dozen countries since WWII. If we extend that to the West in general then you people have been the most pervasive war mongers in modern history.

          Oh right, those countries weren’t majority white. They don’t count.

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              Yes, every one that disagrees with you are NPCs bots. You’re the real humans and the only ones that exist. All those damn coloureds non westerners just aren’t human you know.

              Man you guys have been mask off lately.

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                A useful idiot is still a Krembot sock puppet. The former was coined after all to denote those who parrot Kremlin propaganda regardless of ideology or motivations.

                Man, you guys have been PUTINg too much clown make-up lately. Just because the West is bad, it doesn’t give Russia any excuse.

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                  Russia is just the West. There is no difference between Russia and the US or any other fascist state. All capitalists are the same, just at different stages of fascism.

                  I don’t like Russia any more than you, I just don’t care to see the West doing full ethnic cleansing using the Russian Boogeyman so western companies can control Ukraine’s land.

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                    Ukraine wants to align with the West. Of course Western companies will want to do business there.

                    Sure bud, you hate both Russia and West but say Russia is the boogeyman even though they are the ones who invaded another country unprovoked.