Summary

Over 350 rabbis, along with Jewish activists and artists, signed a New York Times ad condemning Trump’s proposal to force Palestinians out of Gaza.

The ad calls his plan “ethnic cleansing” and urges a permanent ceasefire.

Trump suggested Arab nations take in Palestinians and described Gaza as a future “real estate development.”

Jewish leaders compared his proposal to historical atrocities and denounced it as morally abhorrent.

    • Placebonickname@lemmy.world
      15·
      2 days ago

      Or maybe the Rabbies and Jewish-Community leaders are smart and realize that harsh/cruel treatment of other groups in the Middle East just opens Israel up to more violent attacks and further terrorist threats. I know this sounds like a hard pill to swallow, but if Trump really does force out all the Gazans, it will paint a bullseye on American interests in the Middle East for years. Including Israel.

      • tree_frog@lemm.eeEnglish
        19·
        2 days ago

        No I agree entirely. I think the ADL has Netanyahu’s best interests in mind and not really the best interests of the Jewish people.

        I just wanted to make a sarcastic comment about them conflating being against genocide with anti-Semitism.

      • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
        12·
        2 days ago

        These are Jewish Americans. A very sizable portion of them have absolutely no connection or loyalty to Israel, having emigrated from Eastern Europe to escape persecution by the Bolsheviks prior to WWII.

        It’s far more likely you’ll find a Jewish New Yorker protesting with JVP than with Israel, for example.

        https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

      • Saleh@feddit.org
        42·
        2 days ago

        What more of a bullseye do you want to paint than “yeah we destroyed all your infrastructure and murdered 50.000, more likely 100.000+ of you, but you can’t count your dead because we murdered most of your doctors and nurses too haha.”

        And this is only the tip of the Iceberg. The US, Israel and their allies like the UK and Germany have left out no opportunity over the past decades to show their murderous white supremacism to the people from Morocco to Afghanistan and from Sudan till Bosnia. What prevents the Arab countries from rising against this is not the ignorance of the people, but the US and Israel funded and supported regimes like “bone saw a journalist” MBS or “please guys, i know i am bad, but not like Assad mkay?” Sisi.

          • Saleh@feddit.org
            4·
            2 days ago

            @Placebonickname@lemmy.world argues that they would act in the interest of creating better conditions for Israel. I dont see that, because the US and Israel already did everything they can to antagonize all the people.

            I agree with your other comment, where you said, that these Jews want nothing to do with Israeli crimes and instead go for what is the legal and moral thing to do. This also aligns with their religion, where Israel violates many fundamentals of Judaism, according to many Rabbis.

            Meanwhile Israeli lobby organizations like the ADL go around and attack Jews as “antisemitic”, while defending fascists making Nazi salutes like Elon Musk.

    • sik0fewl@lemmy.ca
      8·
      2 days ago

      Trump called for ethnic cleansing instead of just doing it and calling it something else.

  • Maeve@kbin.earth
    29·
    2 days ago

    Guardian running interference for genocide is disgusting.

    In a news release accompanying the ad, Spitzer, senior rabbi of congregation Dorshei Tzedek in Newton, Massachusetts, said: “It is vitally important that we in the American Jewish community add our voices to all those refusing to entertain this insidious plan. Hitler’s dream of making Germany ‘Judenrein,’ ‘cleansed of Jews,’ led to the slaughter of our people.”

    This gives me hope for humanity. Good people standing together is the only way to achieve anything good.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            62·
            2 days ago

            When you intentionally vote for someone who has no chance of winning, that is a different story. And I think you know that. If you vote for the person that has a chance of stopping a large number of the bad things that are happening right now and she loses, you did not vote for the winner.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                4·
                1 day ago

                Maybe you should go out there and work for those candidates so they have a greater chance of winning? Even an hour every few days making phone calls or sending emails could make a difference.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                5·
                1 day ago

                What are you even talking about?

                I didn’t vote for Biden in 2024 because he wasn’t the candidate and I am in no way a single-issue voter. And now it doesn’t matter because I had to flee the country due to my daughter’s life now being worthless.

                And now it is time for you to either deny the genocide of queer people in America that has begun or claim that it doesn’t matter.

        • njm1314@lemmy.world
          66·
          2 days ago

          Except yes it is true if you voted blue you voted for genocide. If you voted right you voted for genocide. If you didn’t vote you voted for genocide. Americans supported genocide across the board. There’s no way to escape that

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            72·
            2 days ago

            Who were they supposed to vote for? Give me a name please. And what did you do to help their candidacy?

            • njm1314@lemmy.world
              25·
              2 days ago

              There’s not always a good option. Some would say that certain candidates shouldn’t have just supported genocide to the death, but that’s not the voters fault. Or maybe it is, moot point. The 100% stark truth is that every single American supported genocide. You are a genocide supporter. I’m a genocide supporter. Everyone in this thread genocide supporter. Time to accept it.

              • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                93·
                2 days ago

                No. Sorry. I don’t accept that at all.

                First of all, not everyone in this thread or even on Lemmy is American even though America is for sure the only country in the world.

                Secondly, maybe you haven’t lifted a finger about this, but I dedicate at least two hours a week (down from four admittedly) to contacting anyone of prominence I can and working with human rights campaigns.

                I don’t even know why you think U.S. elections are the only thing that matters in terms of a genocide that isn’t in America. Of course, now there are genocides starting up in America too. Maybe something should have been done about that.

                • WagyuSneakers@lemmy.world
                  21·
                  2 days ago

                  It’s the same hate with a different face. These are the people who would be wearing red hats if they were born in the US. It’s a product of social media pushing content that outrages users to keep them engaged longer.

  • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml
    3311·
    2 days ago

    Wait but i thought a vote for kamala was a vote for genocide and trump was going to not do genocide

      • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml
        1·
        1 day ago

        Not mutually exclusive. People need to see messages like that to understand the link between their actions and those actions indirectly helping to cause the thing they wanted to stop in the first place.

        As a socialist, it is frustrating seeing people take a correct stance: the genocide in Gaza is bad and we should put pressure on the political establishment and turn it into “so we’ll become politically disengaged, serving the interests of fascism to teach the liberals a lesson while making no meaningful progress toward stopping genocide”.

      • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
        610·
        2 days ago

        They were and are the same genocide, there was no candidate with a reasonable chance to win that election who was going to hold Israel accountable either way

        • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
          133·
          2 days ago

          Just here to point out that both candidates would absolutely not have handled the situation in the same way.

          We chose the worse option. And by “we” I mean every loser that didn’t vote blue.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          21·
          2 days ago

          Then maybe there should have been other issues. Oh well, too late now. No more legitimate elections at this point. So I hope people who didn’t want Harris are satisfied with the result.

    • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.eeEnglish
      71·
      2 days ago

      Both were for genocide, but one was much HARDER for genocide. That guy was Trump, to be 100% clear.

  • onecarmel@lemm.eeEnglish
    117·
    2 days ago

    Too little too late, ya fools. Those that voted blue tried at least…