Yeah, I don’t buy that. Liberalism and Conservatism have different ideological foundations, philosophical traditions, and political histories.
If you don’t know the difference, that’s on you.
I have to make a lot of leaps to guess what you mean by “conservative liberal”. Do you mean a modern “social liberal economic conservative”? Aka a neoliberal?
Cuz yeah US Dems and Repubs are almost all economically neoliberal, sure. Is that what you mean?
There are no conservatives from conservatism in the US, and there never has been. There might be a few in the future, depending on how far towards monarchism the south goes when the US balkanizes, but certainly none now.
Both Republicans and Dems are neoliberals, yes, before that they were just liberals. One being for the rapid advancement of society, one being for a conservative advancement of society.
If you don’t know that, that’s on you.
But you are the perfect example of a brain fucked American that believes your politics fit anywhere else in the world, or can compare to anyone else’s political movements.
Surely I’m not so “brain fucked” that I can’t learn? Help a brother out.
Edit: I love how for a supposedly leftist community, a guy asking for a lesson is down voted. The leftist infighting is real. You think I wouldn’t read what you sent?
You said “enlighten” which reminds me of something. This is a copy/paste of a comment i’ve posted before:
“How did we overthrow Kings again? Something about us becoming ahem “Enlightened” during some sort of era or period? What can we learn from the successes and failures? Where did Europeans get ideas of freedom, autonomy, equality, and question of authority from when all they knew about was Kings and Divine Right? Did they perhaps go to some kind of ahem New World with a matchcoat and musket to live and trade amongst the natives for 200 years?! Perhaps there was some sort of ahem Indiginous Critique on European Culture that sorta blew the minds of the French, English, and Dutch alike? Perhaps they wrote some plays about this! That they could disobey or :gasps: impeach their leaders? That pursuasion and reason might be more important? Perhaps over some coffee and pipe tobacco? Oh right, next thing you’d think i’d say is they didn’t trade or so much as look at silver? How they MUST have had a “Market” how else could goods or heirlooms possibly trade hands? Certainly not gifts, quests, or gambling! Jeez, I wonder if we still have something to learn from these ideas that were just too darn complicated for Ben Franklin and Jean Jacque Rousseau!”
If you would like to learn more teachings from a culture that inspired the LITERAL FUCKING ENLIGHTENMENT PERIOD, allow me to “enlighten” you:
This was all interesting, and I’m thankful you’ve shared. On reading, I’m not seeing any connection to the discussion at hand, that of Conservatism and whether or not it has or hasn’t existed in the US.
But to comment anyhow - I find it difficult to understand what the transcribed speech is saying. Mostly because I don’t think I understand what the speaker means by “spiritual”. As a term, I have found “spirit” and its derivatives to be nebulous and unhelpful at best, and pernicious at worst. But my experience with the word is primarily through American Christianity, from which I’m an apostate. So I must decline to ascribe to the speaker there what my own brain interjects. But that leaves the speech largely unintelligible to me. That’s nothing against the speaker, but rather an admission of my own ignorance.
The Dawn of Everything seems interesting though. Seems to have gotten good reception from historians. I’ll add it to the list.
Yeah, I don’t buy that. Liberalism and Conservatism have different ideological foundations, philosophical traditions, and political histories.
If you don’t know the difference, that’s on you.
I have to make a lot of leaps to guess what you mean by “conservative liberal”. Do you mean a modern “social liberal economic conservative”? Aka a neoliberal?
Cuz yeah US Dems and Repubs are almost all economically neoliberal, sure. Is that what you mean?
There are no conservatives from conservatism in the US, and there never has been. There might be a few in the future, depending on how far towards monarchism the south goes when the US balkanizes, but certainly none now.
Both Republicans and Dems are neoliberals, yes, before that they were just liberals. One being for the rapid advancement of society, one being for a conservative advancement of society.
If you don’t know that, that’s on you.
But you are the perfect example of a brain fucked American that believes your politics fit anywhere else in the world, or can compare to anyone else’s political movements.
Then please, enlighten me.
Surely I’m not so “brain fucked” that I can’t learn? Help a brother out.
Edit: I love how for a supposedly leftist community, a guy asking for a lesson is down voted. The leftist infighting is real. You think I wouldn’t read what you sent?
You said “enlighten” which reminds me of something. This is a copy/paste of a comment i’ve posted before:
“How did we overthrow Kings again? Something about us becoming ahem “Enlightened” during some sort of era or period? What can we learn from the successes and failures? Where did Europeans get ideas of freedom, autonomy, equality, and question of authority from when all they knew about was Kings and Divine Right? Did they perhaps go to some kind of ahem New World with a matchcoat and musket to live and trade amongst the natives for 200 years?! Perhaps there was some sort of ahem Indiginous Critique on European Culture that sorta blew the minds of the French, English, and Dutch alike? Perhaps they wrote some plays about this! That they could disobey or :gasps: impeach their leaders? That pursuasion and reason might be more important? Perhaps over some coffee and pipe tobacco? Oh right, next thing you’d think i’d say is they didn’t trade or so much as look at silver? How they MUST have had a “Market” how else could goods or heirlooms possibly trade hands? Certainly not gifts, quests, or gambling! Jeez, I wonder if we still have something to learn from these ideas that were just too darn complicated for Ben Franklin and Jean Jacque Rousseau!”
If you would like to learn more teachings from a culture that inspired the LITERAL FUCKING ENLIGHTENMENT PERIOD, allow me to “enlighten” you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondiaronk#Oratory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_of_Everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzWj9ZORv8E - Immortal Technique (2001)
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/russell-means-for-america-to-live-europe-must-die - Speech dictated by the american indian Russel Means.
https://environicsindia.in/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/socialism.pdf - Albert Einstein (bonus reading)
This was all interesting, and I’m thankful you’ve shared. On reading, I’m not seeing any connection to the discussion at hand, that of Conservatism and whether or not it has or hasn’t existed in the US.
But to comment anyhow - I find it difficult to understand what the transcribed speech is saying. Mostly because I don’t think I understand what the speaker means by “spiritual”. As a term, I have found “spirit” and its derivatives to be nebulous and unhelpful at best, and pernicious at worst. But my experience with the word is primarily through American Christianity, from which I’m an apostate. So I must decline to ascribe to the speaker there what my own brain interjects. But that leaves the speech largely unintelligible to me. That’s nothing against the speaker, but rather an admission of my own ignorance.
The Dawn of Everything seems interesting though. Seems to have gotten good reception from historians. I’ll add it to the list.