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While maybe not professional IT people but Linux users are quite known to be passionate about finding solutions. It’s quite recent that you can have a hands off experience with Linux, it was always a tinkerer’s OS before.
I remember in high school having friends who were going crazy at the chance to be the one who could solve an OS issue, like an IT medal of honor.
The kind of people that would play a game called Delta V are probably engineers or people that like technical stuff.
This matches at least my personal behaviour. I’m a programmer myself, so if a game or application has a bug I’ll instantly start thinking about what could’ve caused it and what data would be useful. It’s advantageous for me because the bug may be fixed, and (hopefully) advantageous to the Dev because they get the information they need to fix it. It doesn’t always work though. At one point I sent an entire stack trace and all kinds of debug info to an app developer. I got the response that they’d look into it, but nothing ever comes of it. I’d accept it if they just admitted that it’s not worth their time, but somehow that’s also too hard to say.
Can you get a PE license in software engineering? Serious question
Edit: PE = professional engineer.
In most parts of the United States the title “engineer” or “professional engineer” is a title with legal requirements & responsibilities in the same way calling yourself a medical doctor or lawyer would be. Folks with the credentials to be a professional engineer are tested & licensed by the state to practice engineering, similar to the way the bar or medical board would vet lawyers & doctors.
The dude certifying the structural plans for the bridge you drive over every day is in this category. Same with other categories of critical engineering from the fields of chemical, electrical, mechanical, civil, environmental, etc.
That said, TIL software “engineers” aren’t part of this group. Maybe they should be
Sorry, what’s a “PE”?
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A computer engineer is something else entirely. Basically, they often work with electrical engineers to write low level drivers or something, and rarely do much in user space. Software engineers are the opposite.
I’d argue that open source projects attract experienced engineers and give them a reason to report bugs
I think part of this that I’m not seeing talked about, and perhaps confused for “more tech savvy users”, is just the user hostility of Windows.
9 times out of 10 when a Linux app or game crashes I get a verbose error and more often than not one that I can simply copy and paste.
9 times out of 10 when Windows, or much of windows software, crashes it gives some random number or code and in a window I can’t even copy and paste out of.
My skill level doesn’t change. Linux just isn’t user hostile in nature making it easy to search for fixes and report issues. Where as on windows I can’t summon the care or effort to manually transcribe the error so I can then do something with it.
Acksually most Windows error dialogs can be selected and by pressing Ctrl+C will copy the error displayed which you can then paste into Google.
Not sure what windows apps you’re using but in my 20+ years IT that has absolutely, in most situations, not been the case.
If the interactive session is still up, just screenshot it and OCR the image. Takes a few seconds, but it’s still easy. Win+S, select the area, paste into OneNote, right-click copy text.
Not sure what windows apps you’re using but in my 20+ years IT that, in most situations, has been the case.
Clearly I am clevererer than you
I always always write strong feedback and extensive bug reporting for games. Doesn’t matter the platform. However, my daily is Linux and my daytime job is director for cloud eng and ops which is all linux distros. We write and manage massive nix fleets. Shit my career started writing and doing linux kernel work. It really made me appreciate good feedback and extensive reports on bugs.
BTW I use templeOS
How are you posting with no network stack?
Power of Christ compels my packets
The packets are actually data hidden in unleavened bread.
Doublybased and extraholypilled
That doesn’t surprise me.
Linux users are biased towards higher technical expertise, and they have a different mindset - most of the software that we use is the result of collaborative projects, and we’re often encouraged to help the devs out. And while the collaborative situation might not be true for game development, the mindset leaks out.
But if too many Linux users now have a lot of games to play the development of all softwares will grind to a halt.
actual BSoD on my win11 yesterday. a… bar?
You don’t need logs because in Windows 95 they made a tool that always 100% diagnoses and fixes the issue and it runs every time dispite never actually returning a fix or error code.But wait there’s more here’s a hex code to some memory allocation rather than creating a reference library in human so you can search forums where the only advice is reformat or don’t worry guys I fixed it.
But you are not allowed to look at the actual run time logs as we’re a polished environment.
Windows 95;
bought my first Gateway PC when Windows 95 came out. Lockups every day drove me to Slackware install from a dozen floppy set I d/l’d. Mac OS 8.*/9 was no better. OS-10 brought apple back from the dead. wanted to buy stock, was/am poor
My only problem with reporting bugs in a game, despite knowing how to report a bug and playing a lotta games, is that I don’t always have the knowledge a thing happening is a bug and not the intended design. It’s not like I, as a regular every day player, have insight into what was supposed to happen that would indicate a bug.
Obviously a bug like my guy doesn’t jump despite pressing the jump button is pretty easy to recognize. But how am I to know the damage calculation is fucked up when I’m not told what the formula is supposed to be?
That is still extremely valuable feedback.
“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.”
If it looks like a duck, swims like a dog and barks like a dog but I am still telling you it is a plain old duck, there is a miscommunication between me as a game developer and you as the player.
Is something surprisingly different than elsewhere in the game? If so, it’s probably a bug.
I remember when Elite Dangerous was still in beta, there was a bug where System Authority Vessels would label you a criminal upon attacking verified out-of-system bounties on the victim and attack you. So many players thought that was intended, like there was a “corrupt cop” system in the game until it was actually fixed. 🤦♂️
I really liked the idea that could be a possibility; unfortunately the fact that firing back at the “corrupt” cops just increased your bounty, which is what showed me that it wasn’t intended.
What a provocative anecdote!
I’ve never once touched the logs button until I used linux. Over my time asking for help with anything wrong on my machine I’ve been asked to provide logs, replication steps, what went wrong and what’s supposed to happen. This has trained me to be a good reporter and sometimes these issues help me fix them myself. Thank you Linux community for providing these skills. This isn’t gaming industry specific but even with things like protonvpn, vmware, virtualbox, and stuff on Arch I use.
Part of it too is that logging on Windows is just dogshit. No one uses event viewer so it’s not like the end user even knows where to look for logs, and most of the shit in there is like"lol computer crashed and idk why go fuck yourself"
That’s surprising to me. I get the vast majority of bug reports from Windows users. But I use auto generated crash reports that the user clicks OK to send and it’s a music app, not a game, which might be different.
Yeah how I’m guessing their reports work is it’s like a forum or form you can fill out with the bug report. Not something that happens automatically like that.
contributed a comma in some obscure Gentoo pkg to fix a compile error I had. think it was a 1 line dif. yw
That’s not just any comma. That’s YOUR comma. You should be selling it for $13.99 a month!
PoliticalCompassMemes ruined me, just the word Despite felt like a reference
Despite being just 5% of the population…
Bc linux users are not only more tech literate on average, but also have more of a sense of community and shared responsibility. Yeah, if we get annoyed by something, we know we’re not the only ones, and if we can’t fix it ourselves, we tell the ppl who can. You don’t just assume it will always be broken, or assume a future update will magically fix it.
It all depends on whether the developer cares about fixing those bugs. For big studio games, the answer is obvious. For AAA games, even more so. The shriveled, starving optimist in me wants to think that those developers have become jaded and don’t believe that players can make valuable bug reports.
