For context: I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD and I somehow need to get an app on there that only has a flatpak release

  • rice@lemmy.orgEnglish
    1·
    4 hours ago

    It’s very efficient for what it does. and your programs will actually open.

  • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
    172·
    16 hours ago

    People bitching about Flatpaks don’t understand that they have dedupe built in. You’re literally not using any more space and it’s easier for app developers to deploy.

    Try using Snaps sometime, if you want something to actually bitch about.

  • Shayeta@feddit.orgEnglish
    16·
    20 hours ago

    No problem, just makr sure your system has the exact version of libraries the application needs. And oh, you will only update those dependencies when the application update updates the requirements.

    Oh what’s that? Another application you want to install uses the same lib but different version? Tough luck, chump!

    Seriously it’s either flatpaks or the multi-version dependency management that openSUSE has, and you’re not saving much more space here either.

    • rice@lemmy.orgEnglish
      21·
      4 hours ago

      or statically compiling literally everything then you got 50 copies of the same thing like windows & macos!

  • FurryMemesAccount@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    91·
    19 hours ago

    Another missed occasion to have taken a screenshot. There’s gnome-screenshot, scrot, your DE’s integrated tool and so many others to choose from, you can do it!

    That sort of shit makes me hate the modern internet. (Also screenshots are cleaner and therefore compress better since you seem to care (rightfully) about storage space.)

    • emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de
      51·
      18 hours ago

      Yeah but if youre using a lemmy app on your phone its significantly faster to just use your phone camera rather than having to share/transfer the file over somehow, or sign into lemmy on your pc. Im not saying you’re wrong, but i get why someone wouldn’t care for a quick throwaway post. Also storage then isnt an issue on the PC at all because the image is only on the phone.

      • FurryMemesAccount@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        1·
        14 hours ago

        Phones also have limited storage?

        Regardless, posting on the desktop is exactly as hard as typing in the name of your instance and your credentials…

        If you’re gonna be editing a meme, typing comments and such, it’s worth it very fast imo.

        And crucially, it’s a really basic form of respect for your audience. Oh and also framing the shot correctly, we’re missing part of the text…

        • emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de
          1·
          13 hours ago

          Yeah but their computer is what had limited storage. Most phones these days have a lot more than 8gb. Idk like i said youre not wrong but i still got what they were trying to communicate.

  • fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.comEnglish
    163·
    24 hours ago

    So maybe use Debian and compile the app yourself instead? The Dev made something free with their time, use your time to make it work for you.

  • Gerowen@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    1 day ago

    Alternatively though, if an app has KDE library dependencies for example, it’s kinda nice to not have to install a whole other desktop system wide.

  • krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    233·
    1 day ago

    “maybe a software being excessively bloated isn’t a good thing”

    “just buy more storage bro”

    B*tch. i live in a third world country, with limited internet and data plan, and also is still a student. If i can just buy more storage and better hardware i will.

    • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      23·
      22 hours ago

      This excuse is so dumb for many reasons. Provide me the source and I will make my own package if needed.

      The same excuse is used to make terribly performing video games… Just buy a better graphics card if you want to run <any modern game> at over 60fps!

  • gamer@lemm.ee
    513·
    2 days ago

    Flatpaks implement deduping, so they actually don’t take that much space when installed.

    I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD

    I think I found your real problem.

    • Luffy@lemmy.mlOP
      63·
      1 day ago

      Yes, I personally use flatpak because I want a reliable way to update packages that are not in the native repositories. Still, I would love if it would be like snaps in the sense that I can use the native libraries and only install the app as flatpak.

      Its just really frustrating to have to install the whole fricking gnome desktop again just so some flatpak can use it

    • NekuSoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de
      111·
      2 days ago

      Yup. Those 64 GB SSDs many retailers put into cheap laptops already come dangerously close to violating the Geneva Convention. 8GB is just stupid, even for a Linux system.

    • Aux@feddit.ukEnglish
      12·
      2 days ago

      Even cheap SD cards are larger these days. The smallest SSD you can buy in the UK right now is 250GB.

      • udon@lemmy.world
        52·
        1 day ago

        Reading through the comments here, the Linux community slowly seems move away from “runs on about every piece of hardware you can think of” to “if you don’t have at least the Nimbus 2000 that’s on you, sucker!”

        • rice@lemmy.orgEnglish
          2·
          3 hours ago

          don’t wanna be mean to any demographic but it’s literally the windows gamer converts. Not all of them though. At the same time that kills the other linux elites of “you don’t compile gentoo from scratch on every system?” so…

        • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
          2·
          16 hours ago

          Gotta run FFMMLXIV at 94fps and 173hz @3890x2669 resolution otherwise you’re betraying the “Linux is the best gaming OS” movement we’ve all sworn fealty to.

    • Luffy@lemmy.mlOP
      18·
      2 days ago

      Sort of, actually

      I was trying to build a PC just to play internet radio on using Shortwave, and a 30€ thin client with 4 1,5Ghz cores and no active cooling, 4 gigs of ram and an 8gb ssd were more than enough for that

      • rice@lemmy.orgEnglish
        1·
        3 hours ago

        this? https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Shortwave

        I think on a system like that you shouldn’t even run a GUI or a window manager at most. What is the service that is actually using though, it links to this https://www.radio-browser.info/ I guess I see you can play stations directly from that. It seems it makes more sense to use like lynx browser or something to just browse that website directly.

        I’ve clicked like 10 of them they are all mp3 or aac. mpv or vlc can decode those on the command line and play it with using like 15-100mb of space on your storage. Like this random station for example https://stream-uk1.radioparadise.com/aac-320

        all in all your total install should be like 400mb

        • Luffy@lemmy.mlOP
          1·
          3 hours ago

          It is not for me personally, but for a person who wants a gui. And a Touch screen. Also I need an on Screen Keyboard because he also does not want to use a keyboard or mouse.

          I tried using a very simple compositor like cage to just start shortwave, but I couldnt get my Keyboard to work since it needs gnome accessibility runtime to automatically show when clicking a text field.

          And also xfce is more than light enough not to take up more than 1-2 secs of the total boot time

          The flatpak thing was just the jellyfin-media-player so I can play my music from jellyfin too, but I guess ill just set up DLNA so I can stream to the device from my Phone

      • uuldika@lemmy.ml
        2·
        17 hours ago

        look into NixOS! there might already be a package for it. and NixOS can be very good about not duplicating dependencies.

        • Euphoma@lemmy.mlEnglish
          2·
          17 hours ago

          I had a 200 gb ssd on my laptop and kept running out of space because all the old generations from nixos,

          • uuldika@lemmy.ml
            1·
            15 hours ago

            nix collect-garbage, comrade! there’s also another command to clean up older generations. if you’re using git to version your nix config, you only really need to keep two generations: the current, and your last successful boot, since you can recover by git checkout.

  • AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works
    6·
    1 day ago

    and 8gb ssd? at that size it’s surely a removable 2242 ngff drive, it’s like 10$ for a 64gb one. you’re quite literally throttling your systems read/write speed, cause ssds want at least 20% free to manipulate files.

    • rice@lemmy.orgEnglish
      1·
      3 hours ago

      he said it’s a thin client so it is likely soldered on but almost all of them do have m.2 support. But many of them are actual sata m.2 so don’t accidentally buy a nvme m.2. easy enough to check which yours supports

  • pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    243·
    2 days ago

    Lol kinda wild to me seeing flatpak hate as a new Linux user (running fedora with kids). Flatpaks have just worked for me and it’s been fantastic

    • rice@lemmy.orgEnglish
      1·
      3 hours ago

      whoa look at mr rich boy here with a drive that costs more than $2 on ebay

    • gamer@lemm.ee
      181·
      2 days ago

      If you’re new to Linux, then your probably not familiar with the full Linux community yet. Much like in real life, online Linux spaces tend to have a very loud minority of conservatives who hate progress.

      Usually you’ll see them hating on things like systemd, 64bit architectures, containers, new packaging systems (like Flatpak), immutable and experimental distros (like Nix), Wayland, “bloated” desktops like KDE or Gnome, and much more.

      And just like in real life, the antidote is to not take another person’s word for it. Do your own homework/try things out yourself and arrive at your own conclusions.

    • Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de
      3·
      2 days ago

      Flatpaks work great on my laptop, but they have can have issues if you use multiple hard-drives or partitions. Especially for gaming.

  • pH3ra@lemmy.ml
    452·
    2 days ago

    Yeah flatpak won’t work on my Nokia 3310 either, what a shit software…

    Edit: if you upvoted this comment, your kneecaps pop when you pick up things from the ground

    • Smee@poeng.link
      2·
      2 days ago

      I’m too old to pick up stuff from the ground, I use one of them claws on a stick. Also, the 3210 was a nice phone while the 3310 was for the hip kids.