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- technology@beehaw.org
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This was inevitable, unfortunately.
lmao, good fuckin luck replacing dedicated volunteers with one or two shitty ones obsessed with power
Don’t worry, the mods will be paid now. Just by the NRA, Walmart and Russia.
Reddit is about to be run entirely by shills who will hop into mod spots.
I don’t think it’ll be that simple
There are sooooo many fuckin subs, and while I know there are small handfuls that oversee dozens and dozens, the niche ones that really help user retention will suffer.
Like, it’s not the huge million+ subs that I’m missing, it’s the smaller localized fandoms and obscure memory subs that I’m really missing.
It’ll just lead to a general decline in sub quality.
i love that they’re making this extreme choice over fucking advice animals which haven’t been relevant in literally 10+years
Unfortunately, Reddit can just keep doing that as often as they want. Fortunately though, there are few people who will actually be able to do a good job moderating especially for FREE. They will burn through the good candidates and have to rely on unqualified people to do a mediocre job. This will ruin the content quality and eventually kill the sub. So long term we may still win, but short term we will likely see little change. The problem is always the level of involvement of the general public.
Honestly not too surprising. But good luck moderating the bigger subs without the old volunteers.
Looks like reddit is about to hire 1000 unpaid interns
Interns using chatgpt, we’re gonna see such a firehose of shit
Imagine the seo blogspam grade comment threads it will turn into
It’s an absolute non-starter. The amount of random… I’m a medium fish there and there’s SO MUCH you have to know to mod a sub, plus you’re constantly in PR mode with the users to keep everyone happy and enjoying your work. Communication skills. Bot wrangling and sometimes creation. Automod. Css. Rule modifications. Enforcement and reviewing existing threads for rule violations. PLUS you have to know the existing culture or you’re gonna make everyone mad.
I kinda want to see it. Reddit would explode.
the thing is – none of that needs to exist! this is why reddit started to get so shitty, no one can keep it all straight; it’s simply too much considering how meaningless all the stakes are. i as a user never asked for constant review of threads for rule violations nor gave a shit about css or anything.
TBF a lot of the backlash against the protest on reddit also boils down to “it doesn’t matter to me, so it’s not needed”. Fact is if moderation is done right you don’t notice it. I add new t-shirt bot spam sites to auto-mod the second I come across them, for example, so they only ever get posted once.
Reddit has had css since before the Digg migration.
Good summarization. And I am sure it WILL explode if they dont start paying serious mods serious money for something that was done FOR FREE by the community before. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
It’s ironic, too, because their entire refrain is “we’re broke”. Well then. Now you lost most of your big subs and a ton of users AND you’re broke. Guess at least we fixed the bandwidth problem.
Meanwhile it was all over ChatGPT training on their API. You’d think that woulda been step 1 to fix.
Maybe I’m missing something but is there a reason they couldn’t have started addressing all of this with a terms of service agreement for the API? They demonstrated they can make exceptions for some accessibility apps, so if AI is the issue, then why not focus on that? If they wanted to force ads on apps, they can make that happen as part of the agreement too. As much as people wouldn’t like it, this would still be a better posture than now.
The current situation appears so poorly though out to me, but I’m just a guy.
I agree requring third party apps to contain their ads would have been a WAY better move. It’s funny to me though that Reddit claims to be unprofitable but pulls in $456 million and some change per year. Greedy fuckers
How fucking stupid do they have to be to complain about 3PA not paying their way (BS anyway - the net gain of users using Apollo etc is a win for Reddit) when REDDIT are the ones not serving them up? Then they frame it in a way that sounds like Apollo are taking advantage of them.
Why not include ads in the API responses, tagged as ads, and let the app developers implement a way of showing them. If an individual User pays for Reddit Premium - ads aren’t sent in the API responses.
My leading statement wasn’t a question. Reddit and spez aren’t stupid - they think we are. Fuck them.
I was the ultimate freeloader/user. I used reddit nearly everyday for 13 years, never once bought premium or any reddit gold or any sort of rewards and blocked every ad.
They definately could have forced me to pay a subscription or something somehow without just completely shuting down how I browse the site.
It’s so utterly bizarre and stupid.
Reddit even already treats ads as a post type (hence the karma and comments on ads). All they had to do was say “you must show our ads” and if they caught a major app filtering out ads, block their API keys.
I don’t even think paying an API licensing key is that unreasonable. In fact it’s quite common. But the price they’re asking is completely absurd and doesn’t scale appropriately. They also didn’t give app developers time to assess and discuss the pricing before implementation started.
There were SO MANY ways to handle this better, that would have been more profitable for them, and would have left people feeling more good about that things were being handled in a reasonable way. This decision making process screams of hubris. I’ve said it a couple of places, but it gives the impression that Reddit fundamentally doesn’t understand reddit. Reddit’s greatest value is ease of community creation and curation. Many of the decisions they’ve made since rolling out New Reddit have stood to restrict and inhibit this core interaction.
I genuinely wonder how Spez et al view reddit. What do they think the point is? What do they think people are there for?
They would want to test it on one subreddit first and see how it went. The quality will tank, but this is something they could get away with.
Yup. They only care about the ipo at this point. Money is far more important than ethics.
Fuck u/spez
Does that mean they’re unmoderated now? r/worldpolotics here we come!
They can’t just re-open subreddits and expect it to go over smoothly. These subs will collapse without moderators.
yup 100%
Sure they can. They’ll outsource moderation to Bangladesh, pay mods like $0.20 a day, and double the number of ads shown.
Considering they didn’t pay any of the moderators as is, I don’t think they would pay for them now.
Lol … All you have to do is give moderators permissions to a teenager with an axe to grind and they’ll work for free for years
I hate Reddit because of all this stupidity … I’ve jumped ship not looking back and I’m staying on Lemmy
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Tbh $0.20 a day won’t get you very far even in Bangladesh nowadays. Moderation costs will be quite high in the end for them.
This is extremely short-sighted on reddits part, elevating lower mods to leads can cause so much drama in a community particularly when the lower mods don’t have experience, the lower mods will probably make basic mistakes that’ll turn the average base away from the subreddit.
this is really going to bite reddit in the ass if they try it more its like trying to fix a leak by sticking random objects in the hole
Welp, I’m officially never going back to reddit, might as well start deleting my account now…
This is informative and unfortunate.
Actually I accidentally clicked a Reddit link on Google earlier today and (I don’t remember the subreddit) my first thought was: I’m pretty sure this subreddit took part in the blackout so why can I see its posts like nothing happened?
Hang on, when I go to the Reddark website now a bunch of subreddits have gone from private to public. Is it because it’s the 14th or because someone intervened with the protest?
Probably because they didn’t commit to longer than 48 hours and decided not to stay closed.
And of course the obligatory eff spez.
