i can’t stand megathreads – no one reads these! no one wants their posts banished there!

  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Yes, I started with the reasons why left-leaning movements have been restricted historically right out of the gate.

    No, you started with an unsupported allegation about all left-leaning movements:

    There is a decent argument historically that communism and other left movements are extremist, racist, and anti-lgbtq.

    Support it or don’t accuse me of being intellectually lazy.

    Communist propaganda has historically put fourth that anything that is not communist is inherently fascist.

    Why am I getting “Anyone who disagrees with you is a fascist! Everyone’s a fascist to you leftists!” vibes from this?

    Also, is it a relatively new community

    In the context of broader world history, which is what you were talking about when you were baselessly calling anyone on the left anti-lgbtq.

    or is it an established one that you want to preserve the culture of?

    It’s a new community that I don’t want overrun with nazis like you’d prefer.

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      1 year ago

      Asking for proof of this is like asking for proof that the Constitution exists. It’s a very common thing I referenced. Western anarchism has a more positive history but largely linked to furtherment of the cause over actual progression of liberties.

      Cuba: https://www.thedailybeast.com/fidel-castros-horrific-record-on-gay-rights

      USSR: https://www.thecollector.com/harry-whyte-gay-communist-writes-to-stalin-soviet-union/

      CCP: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0268580918812265

      My point in bringing it up is that it’s extremely easy to craft a narrative that starts including relatively positive forms of speech in with the banning. That includes these little forums and your approach is exactly what happened on Reddit eventually leading to the current influx of members here now. The second you start restricting speech is when the forum starts consolidating power.

      Donald Trump was elected president primarily because he could control his messaging and direct different narratives to different demographics. He was unable to do that as president so he lost the next election. By encouraging the siloing of information sources, you enable that behavior.

      I don’t want Nazis but the best way to turn them is not by sending them into a forum where they are left unchecked.

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        Asking for proof of this is like asking for proof that the Constitution exists. It’s a very common thing I referenced. Western anarchism has a more positive history but largely linked to furtherment of the cause over actual progression of liberties.

        So you’re using historical examples of dictatorial communist regimes to tar the entire modern left as permanently and irredeemably bigoted. Got what you meant from the very beginning in its entirety in perfect crystal clarity. Meanwhile, the bigots are talking about eradicating trans people right now.

        My point in bringing it up is that it’s extremely easy to craft a narrative that starts including relatively positive forms of speech in with the banning.

        Your point is that because some communist dictatorships were bigoted, we should tolerate bigotry from fascists right now in new communities. No. For starters, bigots are still perfectly welcome on reddit and twitter and facebook and 4chan and stormfront and so on. Not everywhere has to be welcoming to bigots. Not everywhere has to be a high minded polyannish naive community where no one locks their doors and if we just engage with bigots on their terms everything will be hunky dory and they’ll stop wanting to genocide my friends. Not everywhere needs to be a complicit platform for hate.

        your approach is exactly what happened on Reddit eventually leading to the current influx of members here now

        reddit welcomed bigots since day one. Lemmy needn’t.

        I don’t want Nazis but the best way to turn them is not by sending them into a forum where they are left unchecked.

        Do they not already have enough recruiting grounds already for your liking? Why let them have this one too? Why should people on lemmy have to deal with all the hate against minorities? Why must bigots be welcome just to make others unwelcome?

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          1 year ago

          My point here is not that I am. My point is that others would. The fact that you still do not understand that after reiterating it repeatedly in every single reply indicates to me that you are either not reading my replies or not in this discussion in good faith. You are what this community should leave behind. There was way too much of this on Reddit.