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- 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I am so so divided on if I should vote for biden or not. I wanna vote third party to at least do something or should I just stay home and protest and advocate where I can? Thoughts?
I will not vote for the lesser of two genocides, and if you do you are a genocide supporter.
Have fun standing aside and doing nothing to stop them. Your choice to not participate is simply authorization to continue on the same path without resistance.
Are you going to donate to Biden’s campaign or volunteer for him? If you don’t, you’re just standing aside.
No, I am busy working for campaigns for my city and state level government bodies. People who want to change the first past the post voting system that cements the system we have. People who are against the fascist israeli government, as well as the US’s participation is constant destabilization of nations around the world. I have a much larger impact on my local government who, in turn, are my representatives with power balanced against the executive office.
One of our most successful campaigns was the recent amendment change to enshrine abortion access. Also our promotion of information about Jim Jordan’s proven role in protecting Sandusky is one of the more successful methods this state has seen in terms of turning people from a political party. We are also working to keep Sobe out of our area as we have spent billions cleaning the pollution from the steel mills and Sobe will just revert things. So, I am stretched a little thin on that front.
What have you done? Are you willing, or capable, to maybe take up arms to change things? Do you have any experience in life that would make you have some idea if you could? What have you done besides decide you are better than people for allowing these things to go on without challenge?
I’m going to vote down ticket for Democrats, I’m just not voting for Biden. What’s the difference?
I’m not willing to talk about that with a stranger on a public forum, but I’ve been busy with certain things that aren’t the next game of voteball.
“I’ve been busy with certain things that aren’t the next game of voteball.”
I believe you
I can’t help but notice you didn’t answer the more important question: I’m going to vote down ticket for Democrats, I’m just not voting for Biden. What’s the difference?
Because as far as I can see, by your logic you’re donating to Trump and volunteering for Trump by choosing to not donate to Biden or volunteer for Biden.
I did answer your question, I am actively working where I have the most impact, and putting my vote where it will have the least shitty impact I have access to. If you need a more granular answer: What I do work for locally is undermining Trump’s, and his ilk’s, foundation. This happens by some of things I mentioned we have accomplished. By using Jordan’s proven past as a pedophile protector, while talking to people face to face, we have seen more people switch their vote than on any other piece of information we have records for. By getting progressive amendments written into the constitution we make it much harder for it to be over-turned. By going around showing people our efforts actually led to better legal structures for weed, abortion rights, the school system, the local economy, historic crime rates, and turned people away from the GOP, it is markedly encouraging people to vote. The more people who vote, the less likely the greater of two evils is elected.
Voting straight ticket democrat means you are also voting for people who agree with biden on palastine. Not voting for the president is increasing the probability for trump, or someone worse, to get in office, instead of biden. If biden is still the democratic candidate, he will still be better than any of the republicans running against him. The majority of people don’t vote. People who are more aligned with the democrats are more likely not to vote than republicans. This is how people even worse than biden are an actual possibility. Even the republicans acknowledge that the more people that vote, the less likely they are to get elected.
But you didn’t answer the question, not really. You haven’t explained why voting for down ticket Dems and refusing to vote for Biden is any different from volunteering for down ticket Dems and refusing to volunteer for or donate to Biden (which is what you are doing).
The result with the most harm reduction is a split government with Democrats in control of the Legislature, because if Trump was president Democrats would oppose Israel’s genocide. Under Biden even Bernie is refusing to endorse a ceasefire, but if Trump was president you know he and other Dems lining up under Biden would fight against Trump.
You also declined to answer my question about what you do. So, what is it?
Well officer, I’m sure I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Then you are voting for the greater of two genocides, which seems worse tbh.
If Trump was President, Democrats would oppose genocide and support a ceasefire. I’m almost certain of it.
So! I’m voting for a split government. Democrats in control of the legislature will keep Trump from being able to really do anything.
And just how is that legislature going to stop him. Couldnt do it when he was blocking weapons from going to Ukraine, won’t be able to now.
The legislature can stop him from giving weapons to Israel, so that’s at least one genocide they would stop if Trump was president.
No they wouldn’t. They would happily work with Republicans to fund Israel. I have no idea where you got it in your head that Democrats have any sort of tendency towards contrarianism; they trip over their own feet rushing to work with the Republicans on anything they can to prove they’re “moderate” and “non-partisan”.
Not “Republicans” - this is about Trump specifically. They’re willing to be partisan when it comes to orange man bad.
This is just completely ahistorical. Democrats repeatedly worked with Trump throughout his presidency. Pelosi and Schumer met with him constantly to try and broker deals. They literally bragged constantly about “crossing the aisle”, how they were “moderates”. Dems love posturing as the mature adults in the room.
In some instances, it was legitimate to work together. They supported his administration’s 2019 infrastructure plan. Trump worked with Dems instead of the GOP to get hurricane relief. Some good spending packages were passed by him working with Dems when the GOP was too disorganized.
In other cases, they should have obstructed harder but didn’t. They fast tracked many of his federal judge appointments. Some voted for his supreme court picks. They didn’t obstruct his tax cuts enough.
The idea that Democrats were impetulently obstinate with Trump for no reason is a far-right talking point, it has no basis in reality, so I’m not sure why I’m seeing supposed leftists repeating such misinfo. They weren’t obstinate enough with Trump, especially when it mattered; that’s part of the problem with Democrats! They’re far too conciliatory to the right-wing! That’s why we hate them, remember?
I distinctly remember Democrats opposing Trump on moving the embassy to Jerusalem. They never fought him as much as they should, but they did fight him. Let’s not forget this is also what lead to the rise of the DSA and the largest protest movement in American history. Trump highlights the contradictions and helps libs see who their friends and enemies really are.
Exactly, so we can’t rely on Democrats to effectively contain Trump as you suggested we might. They are not strong or reliable enough. They capitulate far too easily.
What really led to the DSA growing so much was Bernie Sanders radicalizing millions with his 2016 run. Then, the squad capitalized on that energy in 2018 and onwards, leading to many DSA members being elected nationwide, which then further grew the organization through the attention they bring.
I know it’s not considered “cool” amongst leftists to admit electoralism can ever lead to positive outcomes, but them’s the breaks. None of this would have happened if not for them.
They also didn’t have a majority. Based on every election since the end of abortion rights? They’re going to take the House and hold the Senate, and probably take control of several states.
That’s why I’m voting down ticket. I’m just not voting for Biden.