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      Windows is made by a company that would make this change in some countries but not all countries. We are not free until we are all free. Some operating systems guarantee that. Others do not.

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        I don’t disagree with you but dude people are sick of the politicization of everything and their operating system doesn’t even get onto that radar. They are ignorant and quite happy of it. Please let the pigs eat their shit in peace.

        That said, it is quite telling that Microsoft apparently finds it more advantageous to have two divergent feature sets than to apply the change universally.

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          I get where you are coming from. FWIW I’m being a jackass for the hell of it rather than trying to start a flame war. But if someone is to get upset about it, perhaps its something for them to reflect on later.

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    Idk, the whole “Megacorp is forced to do reasonable thing, but will still only do so in regions where the law applies” should further encourage people to move away from all their crap.

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    “Oh man, I’d love to use Linux because then I wouldn’t have to have Edge installed!” - Nobody. Ever.

    People use Windows because it comes with the PC and it runs all their shit (maybe except some yellowing-beige and blue scanner from 1997) with no fucking about needed. They were never incentivised to use Linux. They don’t know what an OS is, and more importantly, they don’t care.

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      Also most software is written for that default os and if they ran into most of the common issues linux users do theyd throw it in the bin.

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    The overlap of people that will not remove the initial bloat (even if it’s a button displayed prominently on first start) and people inclined to use Linux in the first place is not that great.

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    I get the point, but there’s for example Evolution which you cannot uninstall from GNOME without uninstalling the GNOME itself

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      Well, you could if the package was set up differently, or if you wanted to go at it manually. But they way the maintainers set the dependencies makes apt think it has to remove the whole DE, or at least a bunch of essential parts of it.

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        Can’t you pass something like --unmerge or --nodeps so package manager will ignore dependencies? And then add it to apt equivalent of package.prpvided to tell that this package is managed by another package manager(you).

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        That’s the point. Obviously you can uninstall any windows application too, it’s just that Microsoft doesn’t want you to.

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    I disagree with the premise, but even if it’s true that people stay with Windows because it sucks less, that’s still a success story for Linux. External comparative pressure leading to more end user freedom. Think of where it could go next!

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    And still, it’s been years (even decades) that all computers in France were supposed to be proposed without OS preinstalled and yet it’s very difficult to find one, or even to be refunded the licence Price a posteriori. Laws are being voted, removed, revoted, reremoved etc. and all justice actions have been a massive failure for consumers. I hope this law will be more applied than what we had until now.

    We are moving the correct way but we still are so far from equity.

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    People have already proven they will put up with about anything Microsoft throws at them, so they were never going to switch anyway.

    Also you still can’t uninstall the bootloader under windows.😆

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      Yeah people will download a patched windows iso, go through an extremely complicated install process to have everything the way they want, flip a few bits in windows with some shady ass tool and give up updates instead of just using linux.

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        Doing all that takes about 2 hours. The shady ass tool is also unnecessary since you can manually change the registry entries. Once it’s done I can install anything by double clicking the exe and it runs 99.9% of the time.

        Linux meanwhile only takes half an hour to setup and update (if we are talking about a beginner friendly one like mint cinnamon), but you will use a lot more hours trying to get everything to run. There rarely are good drivers for peripherals, to get even slightly more then the most barebone functions of my logitech gear I have to run a shady github project someone slapped together 3 years ago. The adaptive clock on my laptop doesn’t work, I loose about 2 hours of battery life and the touch pad stops working after a few hours.

        I dualboot a win10 ltsc version and mint. By now most stuff runs fine on Linux, but it has taken me 10 times the effort to get to that state compared to windows. And even now I occasionally have to fiddle with wine cause it decides that this specific programm isn’t to its liking. And that’s ignoring the issue it was to run anything with anticheat. That requires a VM with GPU passtrough to even remotely work.

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          Once it’s done I can install anything by double clicking the exe and it runs 99.9% of the time.

          cybercriminal heavy breathing

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            That’s only an issue if you torrent your stuff in which case linux wont save you. A windows virus/cryptominer/keylogger/etc. won’t natively work on Linux, but it will work if used with wine.

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              You joking right? Torrents are not the main attack vector XD who told you this fairy tale?

              Also imagine using wine, wtf

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          In my experience everything already had drivers installed on linux. I think with the logitech stuff you mean the stupid configuration ui that would perfectly work on linux but they choose to not port it(you can still use it with wine for example). All my keyboards have qmk so that works on linux. A github project is much less shady because you can check the source code. Idk whats wrong with your trackpad. Battery life is hit or miss on linux, i get more hours on linux currently but only after installing some stuff. On ubuntu or mint the battery life should be good out of the box. Anticheat is basically anti-linux so ofc it wont work. For me backwards compatibility is better on linux than windows. When i try to run old software on windows it never works. Software support is pretty good nowadays but some professional stuff wont work. If you do that you should go mac lol.

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          Gaming performance on Linux is excellent, I’m getting stable 60FPS on single player games on my old 1050 equipped laptop from 2016 that weren’t even playable on the old Windows install.

          Anticheat however is a different story, and CoD DMZ/Zombies is where I spend most of my gaming time so it’s difficult to just give up a Windows install.

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    It’s going to be one of those things where someone is either going to switch to Linux or they’re not. Most people will take convenience over privacy.

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    Overnight, millions will suddenly somehow become European.

    I wonder if they will try IP based Geo enforcement? How long do you think before Rufus allows flipping the bit to force this globally on install?

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      No. A lot of people simply don’t care about their browser enough to take any action, let alone to bypass geo-restrictions.

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    There’s an app called “whatever”? Is it the new WhatsApp? Or an app about being indifferent?