First RCS now this, today has been wild

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    8 months ago

    I’m a Linux guy and I don’t really care about Windows, but I’m glad to see this happening and every day I thank Europe for being the main entity fighting for regulation of big tech monopolies, because America is really failing.

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      EU is very much a mixed bag. On the one hand, they do this, on the other hand, they tried to ban P2P encryption and microtargetted religious and elderly in resisting countries, feeding them the classic “it’s for the children’s safety” lies.

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        Though we have to remind ourselves that it’s mainly the EU Commission who does this.

        The Supreme Court spoke out against it from the very beginning, the Parliament voted against it, it’s really only the Commission who doesn’t want to understand that EU law applies to them, too.

        Quite a few positions in there that need to be held by new people who understand the damn law.

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        4 months ago

        they tried to ban P2P encryption

        They recently enshrined it as an unalienable human right as a world first.

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      8 months ago

      Its nuts that during the Obama admin, all anyone cared about was the threat of zero privacy. Now everyone in the US has surrendered to it, because our politicians have sold our digital privacy rights to the tech companies.

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      8 months ago

      Hey, 'Peans, how come you think a country larger than your pseudo continent is a homogenous hivemind?

      E: what Ive learned from this comment is that apparently, all europeans share 1 single trait, which is just utterly horrid reading comprehension

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        Erm… Larger by land mass? Yes. Larger by GDP? No. Larger by number of inhabitants? No. Larger by amount of vastly different cultures that somehow get stuff like this done whole very decidedly not being a hive mind? Also no.

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    8 months ago

    So apparently having consumer-friendly laws does in fact lead to better products. Cool.

    Perhaps the USA and other countries should follow the EU’s good example on this.

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    8 months ago

    Thank you Europe. Once again you prove yourself to be what we all aspire to be.

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    8 months ago

    Omg, I can’t believe this is happening !!

    Today when I updated Windows11, I got copilot and we were discussing how it’s unacceptable to not let me uninstall Microsoft Edge, well I was, Copilot was just chilling it, but it did agree eventually

    But this is only happening in Europe, which means Microsoft didn’t suddenly turn pure hearted, it’s just the law forcing them into it …

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      8 months ago

      Valve only started doing 2-hour refunds after Australia twisted their arm about it. They brought it to the world, and it became an incredible selling point. Perhaps this will be the same thing.

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        Valve is a lot more consumer friendly to begin with, though. Don’t get me wrong, they did heaps of bad things too, but compared to Microsoft?

        I’m not gonna hold my breath on this one

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    7 months ago

    This is cool and all, but why do we always stop at Microsoft? I think it would be more impactful in 2023 if we can uninstall Safari from iOS devices and Chrome from Android?

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    8 months ago

    As an American, all I can say is thank you Europe for continuing to have sensible legislation that forces these companies to have decent policies worldwide if only to comply with EU laws. I only use Windows on my company provided laptop but just because I don’t need to worry about it personally doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t care about how it affects others.

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          8 months ago

          I do understand - but as a society we’re working to remove unnecessary gendered terms from our language. I believe in doing similar with religious terms.

          Language is important. If we’re thanking a deity for the work of government it’s both minimalising the work of elected representatives and exclusionary to other cultures.

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      8 months ago

      Even better as a Windows 10 user - get to avoid the issues with version 11 and the issues with Linux!

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            7 months ago

            not sure how it’s really relevant.

            Your original comment mentioned this…

            Even better as a Windows 10 user - get to avoid the issues with version 11

            I responded with the end of life date for Windows 10 to let you know that those are depending on staying on Windows 10 can only do so for a limited amount of time, and hence only have a limited time of avoiding issues with Windows 10. That’s the relevance.

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              7 months ago

              You can say this about all software though? Linux also won’t be around forever… So it’s somewhat irrelevant.

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                You can say this about all software though? Linux also won’t be around forever… So it’s somewhat irrelevant.

                First, we’re talking about OS’s, and not software in general. Please don’t use a debate tactic to move the goal posts.

                Second, nope, you can’t, so it is relevant. Linux has always been here when other OSs have come and gone (OS/2 anyone?).

                To your original comment…

                Even better as a Windows 10 user - get to avoid the issues with version 11

                Just to reiterate, Windows 10 has a shelf life that is very much shorter than Linux’s, so you won’t be a Windows 10 user for much longer.

                Regardless of how you feel about this and/or Windows vs. Linux, you’ll need to plan for it.

                Make the smart move, you’ll benefit more financially and otherwise for doing so.

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                  Windows has always been free for me so it’s no big issue. But yes, as a current Windows 10 user my point still stands that the best of both worlds is using it IMO. Have the widest support for games and can easily remove any bloatware you want from it already.

                  You are the one who originally changed the goal posts about it being changed in 2 years time and that being an issue. I’ll worry about that in 2 years time - for all we know Microsoft will extend the support.

                  But also to your point, Linux is very young itself so you can’t expect it to always be around. Once it’s around for 100+ years sure, but I just don’t see that being a thing. There’ll come a time where it’s no longer relevant.

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    8 months ago

    Hell has truly frozen over. I guarantee that uninstalling edge will break something else in Windows

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    8 months ago

    ABOUT FUCKING TIME. Take edge and shove it so far up your data tracking sphincter of a face hole.

    Can we please get these laws on a global level.