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Shame on them for following illegal orders. I spent 6 years in the military and they drilled into us that we were not to follow illegal orders. These orders a blatantly illegal. They are all complicit.
Forgive me, but to my knowledge they haven’t done anything but show up. I believe (like the Marines that recently got deployed), they don’t have an actual mission, and they’re only allowed to defend federal buildings. The only people I’ve seen or heard of shooting at protestors (and reporters) are ice and local PD.
You’re right. The problem is “The Foot In The Door” technique. They’re going to be asked to do worse things in steps, starting off with just showing up. Then showing up armed. Then showing up armed with vehicles. Then vehicles with firepower. All leading up to the use of violence, maybe lethal violence.
This is an excellent point
How are these orders illegal? Illegal orders are certain to come, but this is hardly the first time a President has called up national guard troops over the objections of a governor.
I mean the last time was 1965 to defend civil rights protesters from local law enforcment/thugs - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/08/us/lbj-national-guard-alabama-1965.html.
History won’t look kindly on this incident, and I think the issue here is that if it isn’t illegal it still shouldn’t be seen as acceptable by anyone.
Side bar: I don’t think the way “history” remembers current events matters anymore. The way news spreads and is remembered is so different now than it was in 1965 that I don’t think history will view our current time that much differently than we did. Just my theory.
So the US has a nationwide history based competition called National History Day. If you haven’t heard about it I suggest you look it up, it’s basically science fair for history.
I mention it becuase for them to consider a historical event to be valid, it needs to have been at least 25 years after the event. 25 years is a long time, 9/11 will only just be valid next year. I’m pretty sure everyone looks at that event differently now then they did at the moment.
My point being that part of what makes history “History” is time, reflection, and a little bit of hindsight. How this event will be remembered will depend on what events come after and what Trumps legacy ends up being. I suspect it will be one looking at major international shifts caused by an untrustworthy US, but I may be wrong.
Yeah, this makes sense. I wasn’t exactly thinking about the impacts of current events on the future, and that playing into how things are remembered, but that’s a good point.
I think part of what I was getting at is that history is often blurred by memories of the events and the limited media and reporting that stood the test of time. A narrative will form and there will be limited amounts of stats that contradict it.
This aspect will be different going forward. The memory is less relevant since we have an overwhelming amount of media and reporting that lives on. And we also have massive amounts of first hand video footage that.
Maybe history will just be defined by who creates the best narrative out of this massive amount of data. And people will still ignore the contradicting evidence. It happens in real time anyway.
That’s a good point that we now have a lot more information/recordings about events. It definitely makes history different. I wonder though if that will actually make the job of historians harder.
Does volume of content indicate what the majority thought/experienced or is there bias in what was saved/preserved?
Not to mention, who is paying to save/keep all of this content. We’ve found that the internet can remember forever, but doesn’t necessarily remember everything (what would happen if YouTube shut down?).
Ahem, Kent State would like a word.
The president didn’t order the national guard. This is specifically about when a president orders a state national guard.
The difference there was that the governor called in the national guard in that instance.
1965 was the last time the president took control of the national guard against the governor’s wishes. So in 1965 Lyndon Johnson took over the guard to protect civil rights protesters, this time Trump took over the national guard to suppress protests about ICE activity.
Edit: The distinction matters because the governor always has control of their states guard. Additionally, a governor can more or less give control of the guard to the federal government if it would help coordination/etc. In this instance though, Trump took control of the guard without the governors support/approval.
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Constitution of the United States, Third Amendment
Grant no quarter. But allegedly, at least one local hotel has asked a group of ICE agents to leave.
This is in the ICE detention centre, so it doesn’t violate that amendment.
Not a USer but, if someone gives permission then it doesn’t appear to be an issue at all, right?
Yes, during the revolution British soldiers would demand to be quartered within residential homes, often requiring the family to also feed them. There was still the notion a swelling of troops may need quartering within residential homes after the revolution, but the constitution mandates you cannot require it.
*center, not centree or centray
Donald Trump deserves the death penalty.
no he deserves jail, the death penalty would be too merciful
They can spend decades on death row going through appeals. I would be content with him being in jail knowing the day of his execution. It’s not going to happen but that does seem like a fitting end
you’re aware that america is one of the few countries that actually executes people? if you’re anti facist you should also be anti execution
you’re aware that america is one of the few countries that actually executes people?
I’m aware. What’s your point in this entirely theoretical situation?
if you’re anti facist you should also be anti execution
Uh no? What? Those aren’t contradicting beliefs. What a weird false statement.
I generally am against capital punishment. This would be an exception
executing people for political reasons or crimes is facism, no exceptions
Tell that to Mussolini or Gaddafi
just because they’re a bad person doesn’t mean it’s ok to kill them
I am against execution as well, but I believe treason is still a hanging offense, and he’s obviously treasonous.
He’s eaten enough of my taxes. Throw him out of a window.
They’re just training for after they leave the service.
Remember when their own Commander in Chief called service members “suckers and losers”? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
They could be sleeping comfortably in their own beds but instead they’re sleeping on a cold, hard floor at the whim of a tyrant who has no respect for them.
And sadly most of them will still say “more please.”
Oh No, cunts have to sleep on the floor before they go out to shoot at protesters. Oh no. The horrors.
This kinda shit is probably there to irritate them so they make bad calls in the field
Cortisol is a hell of a drug
Next best thing to Ketracel (White) which won’t be invented for another 300 or so years.
This is the shit that needs to be on nightly news. It wont…but it should.
For real. One picture worth a thousand words.
You mean the traitor who is repeatedly on record talking shit about the military and individual military personnel is treating the troops poorly?
Ngl, I don’t think this is too uncommon. I’ve done a lot of traveling and units do just sleep on the floor between trips (like at airports). I don’t know if they really are just without food, but I have doubts.
Same happened in DC awhile back. Troops sleeping in parking garages. Food would just be MREs which I’m sure they have plenty of for the next few days.
Them being there needlessly is the real crime here. They were not needed and Trump wanted to make a scene like always.
Worst president of all time, will go down in the history books as a modern day Nero
All moralities of what they are doing aside, them sleeping on the floor isn’t that uncommon for the first couple of days moving into an area. Typically the next step would be to get a base or lodgings set up.
this is a part of the strategy, get them aggravated so that they treat protestors harshly. fascist pull the same shit with police that are also sent to stop protests. For instance, not implementing shifts if the protests are too long and keeping them there overnight on duty for more than a full day.
in civilized countries those police men are not only protected by working law (overtime-laws), but also by the constitution. What else needs to happen for americans to finally wake up to a increasingly more and more fascist police state? As a german I had the rise of the Nazi’s for the majority of my senior school years, we know what that shit looks like. Depressing to watch and not be able to do anything about it
What’s with that N? Are they cosplaying russian troops?
