This looks toxic, by the way.
Because it’s harder to pick and choose trial evidence that exonerates the cops of their malfeasance unless you have something evidencing that they told them to stop before they fired their gun, regardless of whether they actually said it before firing their gun.
A(A)CAB crew checking in, I guess, without a solution in hand. Show me a solution without cops and I’ll show you a warzone.
show me a solution without cops
when my car got stolen and the cops just gave me a report number and then me and my insurance did literally everything else
When I was assaulted by a drunken idiot in broad daylight in full view of the cops, and they did nothing to stop him assaulting me or running off
When I was randomly pulled over and my car meticulously inspected for defects/illegal modifications and when they couldn’t find anything they gave me a fine for the car being ‘too low’. And when I take it up with the magistrate it magically gets tossed out due to lack of evidence
Fuck cops.
I was once handed five tickets for driving without insurance, while the cops held my valid insurance in their hands. I had to take time off of work to go to traffic court and get them thrown out. They almost didn’t because of systematic bureaucratic hell but that’s a different story.
I don’t think in general the ACAB crowd means “no police”. It means better training, independent oversight, and a division of roles (e.g. social work, welfare check).
Basically actually having accountability would go a long way towards weeding out the root problem
That’s because there is no such thing as a unified “ACAB crowd.” It’s turned into a catch-all used by people from full on abolitionists to liberals upset over specific events. In reality, ACAB is an abolitionist phrase. If all cops are bastards, the entire concept of policing as we know it is flawed and needs to be done away with.
That’s the problem with catchy phrases spreading over the internet: they lose all meaning.
My apartment was broken into and stuff stolen. The cops came, took notes, took one of my vases for evidence (which they lost), then left.
So besides stealing even more of my shit, and providing paperwork for my insurance company, what exactly did they do?
Well if they didn’t shoot your dog, it doesn’t even sound like these were cops at all. Are you sure it wasn’t the burglars who came back for the vase they couldn’t take the first time around?
Germany, Switzerland… Finland…
You know… Free countries
Wounded people can still shoot you back/stab you. They may even be more likely to do so due to the shock and adrenaline rush. Also the fact that one has been shot indicates that they probably had something in their hands in the first place or were unwilling to show that they didn’t.
After they’ve been shot, lethal force has already been determined to be necessary. Cops don’t stop until they stop moving or they’re making it very, very obvious they surrender. (side note. Having something in your hand is not justification for lethal force. ‘I thought it was a weapon’ as an excuse has worn too thin. but they’ll say other bullshit too like, ‘they had an aggressive posture’ and ‘were verbally combative’. )
Also, people typically fall back on their training in stressful situations, and they’re taught to shout things. like “show me your hands” … a lot. they may not even be entirely aware of why they’re shouting it. or even what they’re shouting. (Cops have been known to yell some freaking dumb shit after shooting people. You see the videos of them yelling “Get on the ground” when the dude is already… on the ground? just saying)
If the person is able and willing to surrender after being shot, showing their hands (empty of anything they may have been holding before) and following instructions means the police can start first aid and bring in EMS sooner. The ambulance doesn’t come in until it is safe to do so which won’t be until after a search is done and handcuffs are applied. Specific details beyond that and exceptions to the norm would depend on local policies.
Assuming there was ever anything in the victim’s hands to begin with. Plenty of cops will go on to deny the person emergency treatment under the guise of the individual being “too dangerous”
…So if you use your hands to put pressure on the wound to stop the bleeding, you won’t get an ambulance?
No, but it’s going to take longer for them to confirm the scene is safe for first aid and paramedics.
“We thought he was hiding a knife in his bullet wound.”
By the way, I’m wondering who pays for the ambulance in this case? Suspect or government?
In normal countries, normal people don’t pay for use of emergency services.
What kind of hell do you live in where an ambulance is a cost/benefits equation?
What kind of hell do you live in
The hell of the United States’ healthcare system.
Just a guess, but I’d think it’d be based on fault. If it’s a justified shooting, they’ll probably tack it into the suspect’s fines. Ideally, if the shooting isn’t justified, the govt would pay, but I wouldn’t count on it.
I’m afraid your guess is wrong, at least in the US.
The patient is on the hook for any services rendered. If the patient has insurance, that will pay according to the patient’s policy. The insurance company may then sue the city (subrogation) for causing the injuries, but that will go through lawyers and the courts.
I’m disappointed, but not in the least surprised.
To have a court excuse in case they shoot again. “Didn’t comply. Hid hands. I felt threatened.”
Like the guys who literally get away with murder on film need an excuse.
It helps the murdering cop if it is one of the extremely few shootings that makes it to a jury.
They don’t but it makes their fragile egos feel better if they have one lined up
Ever hear about medal of honour winners killing 12 people with 5 bullets in them? Bullets aren’t always show stoppers
Add some meth or fentanyl to the mix and it’s sadly pretty much zombie rules to put them down.
this is why cops dump entire mags without thinking.
that and most of them can’t actually shoot for shit.
Yep:
Nine bystanders were wounded by stray bullets fired by the officers and ricocheting debris, but none suffered life-threatening injuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Empire_State_Building_shooting
Or think for shit
I saw a body cam video of a female officer confronting a (probably homeless) dude hopped up on drugs. She was on her own in this situation without backup which was fucked up in it’s own right but this guy just keeps walking towards her closer and closer. Eventually she draws, warns him she’ll shoot if he gets closer and ends up firing twice.
This guy took two rounds to the chest at damn near arms reach and barely even fucking blinks. He turned around, walked to a corner, layed down and died there (here’s the vid https://youtu.be/8oX2ChamWwc?feature=shared)
It’s possible that a less lethal response would have not only been more appropriate but more effective
I agree. That’s the thing with the use of force continuum though, you aren’t obligated to go step by step. If you have pepper spray, a baton and a gun and someone is kicking your ass to within an inch of your life you can go straight to gun.
I’m going to guess they are terrified and excited and just yelling random cop noises.
To shoot you again in case you are still alive
This post has no business in this community
[Edit because everyone seems to disagree] OP posts these charged questions without clear answers all the time. They’re not earnestly asking
Bad faith actor. Gotcha.
Yeah. Check out their post history, they’re clearly just fishing for replies with charged post titles
