I get it, and I agree to a large part, I’m not sure what part of my post was “militantly democratic” though. It’s entirely situational, and without a doubt, the moment it’s viable to dump them, I will. I just don’t think our system nor electorate is capable of the large shift that necessary. Instead think it needs to die a death of a thousand cuts.
The problem is, everyone only seems to want the sea change, the one weird trick. It’s exactly that mentality, that we can fix it all at once, that is why we’re here. If people understand that real change takes time and effort, they might see the forest for the trees and we could all fight against this bullshit together.
But the mentality you have keeps us divided, and insists on a drastic, divisive and impossible strategy. Sorry to be a dick about it, but that’s how I see it.
If, in 20 years, the choice for president is between a democrat who is in openly interested in murdering 6 million jews, and a republican who is openly interested in murdering 7 million jews, will you still be an unwavering democrat?
Will you still be hemming and hawing about how doing things incrementally is the only path forward? Will you tell Jewish people that they have a duty to you, to vote for your preferred genocider? Will you continue to sacrifice marginalized people for this naive hope that a blue wave will come and quell fascism?
Or will you realize that your genocidal political system has lost legitimacy and must be dismantled?
Put another way, did Germans at the height of Hitler’s power have a duty to vote for doomed social democrats, or did they have a duty to tear their government down?
Again, I still don’t disagree. What is your methods for accomplishing these goals though? Not joking, I’m all ears.
Short of marching and throwing them out violently, what is the path forward here? I’m not against that, I just know it’s not going to happen in this country. Maybe if things get worse, but I’m not, and never have been an accelerationist.
We’re saying the same thing in the end, just have disagreement on how to get there.
This is literally the plan. And every day we delay is spitting in the face of Palestinians.
You keep characterizing revolutions as these historical impossiblities, but I’m not sure why. The idea that America cant have a revolution is American Exceptionalism.
The blueprints for this kind of work were eloquently described by Lenin.
I can be for revolution while also acknowledging that short of a miracle, america isn’t ready for one. Until then, I’ll at least try and mitigate the worst of it. The ideas of Lenin work great if there is a figure to rally behind but there isn’t one right now, and I’m not going to be that person
Get organized with your fellow people and create parallel structures that actually look after your community so an alternative to the government actually exists. Vote third party not because voting in a corrupt system will actually change things but because it shows solidarity with the movement and highlights how the system itself is broken.
You are 100% describing the plan that I am. My only difference is in the voting. Voting has never shown solidarity or at least that solidarity has never delivered any results and I don’t see the point in wasting any power we have.
Use the tools of the system we are trapped in to break it.
I get it, and I agree to a large part, I’m not sure what part of my post was “militantly democratic” though. It’s entirely situational, and without a doubt, the moment it’s viable to dump them, I will. I just don’t think our system nor electorate is capable of the large shift that necessary. Instead think it needs to die a death of a thousand cuts.
The problem is, everyone only seems to want the sea change, the one weird trick. It’s exactly that mentality, that we can fix it all at once, that is why we’re here. If people understand that real change takes time and effort, they might see the forest for the trees and we could all fight against this bullshit together.
But the mentality you have keeps us divided, and insists on a drastic, divisive and impossible strategy. Sorry to be a dick about it, but that’s how I see it.
If, in 20 years, the choice for president is between a democrat who is in openly interested in murdering 6 million jews, and a republican who is openly interested in murdering 7 million jews, will you still be an unwavering democrat?
Will you still be hemming and hawing about how doing things incrementally is the only path forward? Will you tell Jewish people that they have a duty to you, to vote for your preferred genocider? Will you continue to sacrifice marginalized people for this naive hope that a blue wave will come and quell fascism?
Or will you realize that your genocidal political system has lost legitimacy and must be dismantled?
Put another way, did Germans at the height of Hitler’s power have a duty to vote for doomed social democrats, or did they have a duty to tear their government down?
Again, I still don’t disagree. What is your methods for accomplishing these goals though? Not joking, I’m all ears.
Short of marching and throwing them out violently, what is the path forward here? I’m not against that, I just know it’s not going to happen in this country. Maybe if things get worse, but I’m not, and never have been an accelerationist.
We’re saying the same thing in the end, just have disagreement on how to get there.
This is literally the plan. And every day we delay is spitting in the face of Palestinians.
You keep characterizing revolutions as these historical impossiblities, but I’m not sure why. The idea that America cant have a revolution is American Exceptionalism.
The blueprints for this kind of work were eloquently described by Lenin.
I can be for revolution while also acknowledging that short of a miracle, america isn’t ready for one. Until then, I’ll at least try and mitigate the worst of it. The ideas of Lenin work great if there is a figure to rally behind but there isn’t one right now, and I’m not going to be that person
Get organized with your fellow people and create parallel structures that actually look after your community so an alternative to the government actually exists. Vote third party not because voting in a corrupt system will actually change things but because it shows solidarity with the movement and highlights how the system itself is broken.
You are 100% describing the plan that I am. My only difference is in the voting. Voting has never shown solidarity or at least that solidarity has never delivered any results and I don’t see the point in wasting any power we have.
Use the tools of the system we are trapped in to break it.