A Tennessee Republican hopes to establish an “abortion trafficking” felony for adults who help pregnant minors get an out-of-state abortion without parental permission, an effort reproductive health advocates argue will run afoul of constitutional rights such as interstate travel.
Rep. Jason Zachary, R-Knoxville, filed House Bill 1895 on Monday. The legislation would establish a new Class C felony, which could carry three to 15 years in prison, for an adult that “recruits, harbors or transports” a pregnant minor for the purposes of receiving an out-of-state abortion or for getting abortion medication.
Reminder that the Civil War wasn’t because Lincoln was going to outlaw slavery.
He repeatedly said he had no desire to do that.
The flashpoint was the southern states wanted to force northern states to return escaped slaves, and the feds said a state couldn’t force another state to follow their state laws.
And we’re still having the same argument apparently.
Conservative states have always wanted to force their laws on liberal states. Because they see their state residents as property/serfs that the ruling conservatives control.
Yeah, there was only one right that was in question. The average confederate soldier was there because he wanted to protect the white mans ability to own slaves because he thought he was going to get rich doing it once the war was over.
Nope.
The majority of soldiers for the south were lied to and genuinely believed they were fighting for states rights.
They didn’t know they were fighting for a more powerful federal government that would have the ability to force some states to follow the laws of other states.
Ironically the civil war was the final push that made the feds do what the south wanted to begin with. It’s just the feds sided with northern states not southern states.
Do you have any sources? I never heard of confederate soldiers being lied to.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_Army#Morale_and_motivations
Some historians emphasize that Civil War soldiers were driven by political ideology, holding firm beliefs about the importance of liberty, Union, or state rights, or about the need to protect or to destroy slavery. Others point to less overtly political reasons to fight, such as the defense of one’s home and family, or the honor and brotherhood to be preserved when fighting alongside other men. Most historians agree that, no matter what he thought about when he went into the war, the experience of combat affected him profoundly and sometimes affected his reasons for continuing to fight.
Now there is also another bit where it acknowledges some were explicitly fighting to defend slavery. However since what those researchers are using is letters…
Only the wealthiest southerners could read and write, and if you were from the South and wealthy, it’s a pretty safe bet your family owned slaves.
But the vast amount of southerners were too poor to ever afford slaves. So that greatly skews the sample.
But even the ones who explicitly stated they were fighting to keep slavery legal, the feds and Lincoln were adamant they weren’t going to outlaw slavery on a federal level.
So those traitors who said they fought to keep slavery legal, were fighting to prevent something that wasn’t going to happen. They just thought it would because the leaders of the Confederacy lied to them about it.
Just like the 1/6 traitors believed the reason they were attempting to overthrow the American government, was because they thought Biden stole an election.
Just because a conservative believes something, doesn’t mean it’s true.
I see nothing here of soldiers being lied to.
They weren’t. Its just like today where they were steeped in propaganda. Thats no excuse. We should have crushed them after the war. Since we didn’t we have had to repeatedly deal with the traitors.
Even now we should be crushing Texas instead of playing their games. We are responsible for enabling their abhorrent behavior.
You should learn to read, then, like those poor confederates. You’d be better off with some literacy.
Then, by all means, link me to the part where they say they were lied to.
Well, I can’t think of a simpler way to explain it.
I’m sorry you can’t understand, but You’re doing that thing where you start replying to my other comments and wanting to have the same argument multiple times, and I just don’t have the motivation or energy to help people who do that.
Your argument doesn’t seem all that separated from the Nazi Nuremberg defense
“I was just following orders”
The world collectively decided that defense would not stand
“Now there is also another bit where it acknowledges some were explicitly fighting to defend slavery. However since what those researchers are using is letters…”
You’re really handwaving away what’s called a primary source of information. Those letters are actually really important for understanding what was going on in the heads of the soldiers at that time. The fact that they were explicitly writing about the right to own slaves shows that they were aware of what explicit right they were fighting for.
And, at the time, the Supreme Court agreed. In one of their most reviled and embarassing decisions. Let’s watch them do it again and again now.
American citizens who reside in one state are not the property of that state and cannot be prohibited from traveling to other states. Case closed.
With the current makeup of the SCOTUS, I am not holding my breath that the free commerce clause will apply to abortion.
Taking bets …dude has a few minors he’s raped and doesn’t want to escape.
The laundry list of Republican politicians who have CSAM on their PCs, have done shit to kids personally, or lured children online grows.
Grows where, you ask? Well, we’re up to page 49! https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook
Illinois just enacted a law that prevents alpr companies from sharing data outside of the state in order to protect people coming into the state for abortion.
Colorado did that over a year ago: https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/local-politics/polis-abortion-colorado-executive-order/73-dc981276-f6ec-4507-94cd-fee301fb80ba
Not being allowed to get your RAPED DAUGHTER life saving medical procedures is called FREEDOM and SAVING THE CHILDREN!
May all the mothers and daughters of these Republicans be the first to suffer these new laws.
This is about children. No child should suffer through pregnancy. I don’t care what their politics are or what their parents’ politics are.
Just the ones who voted republican. There are plenty of innocent who can’t afford to move/travel.
Gotta crack some eggs to make an omelette.
Maybe let them get birth control without their parents’ permission? They block that too
interstate travel has been a problem between states before roe fell
there are border like police agents at some borders already and have been for years
terry stops fully allowed with no need for suspicion of cause and some state borders are constansty watched for people crossing between states and this also applies to backroads
some of those backroads between states have been shut down since cannabis becoming legal in certain states became a thing
surprised there have not been more articles about this over the years
This is my home state, sadly. A bunch of backward religious zealots that were it not for secular institutions America would a mirror image of Saudi Arabia but Christian.
Clearly, the cons in these states think they OWN the people in them.
Remember just how much gaslighting the cons (and their tone-policing defenders in the “liberal media”) did when it came to talking about the Gilead states and how that’s not really a thing, don’t worry, even the reddest of states will have freedoms.
Actually, from a legal standpoint, I think that they’re on solid legal footing. I know that people may not want to hear that, but it is the truth.
You cannot take a minor across state lines to engage in an activity that is illegal in their home state, even if it is legal in the state they travel to. A 20 year old guy cannot, for example, take a 15 year old girl to a state where the age of consent is 14 in order to have sex with her. The same line of reasoning would apply here.
Now I’m not saying it’s right by any stretch of the imagination. Applying this law under similar reasoning will do exponentially more harm than good for teenage girls in the state. But looking at it from a strictly legal standpoint, this law would be valid. Immoral, but valid.
I’m gonna need a legal citation for this claim.
You cannot take a minor across state lines to engage in an activity that is illegal in their home state, even if it is legal in the state they travel to.
