I don’t play Elder Scrolls so I had to dig this up.
Flame atronachs are apparently elemental daedra (divine beings who are not ancestors of human beings, unlike the aedra), summoned through Atromancy. Apparently they are able to make their own decisions, so they have agency, so consent applies to them.
But I couldn’t find how much the conjuration process removes their agency; if they’re forced to obey the conjurer’s orders to the letter, if they can creatively interpret those orders, or if it’s a single order.
There is also Atronachy whereby you are not summoning an atronach, but making your own like a golem.
But I am skeptical about the agency they have being bound to a sunmoner. The basic ritual that all conjuration derives from is also the basis for paralyzation spells.
Also also, the lore has a fascination with some dude who was obsessed with getting himself a cold-flame atronach, though he was never able to. But it was achieved by another hundreds of years later.
Are the atronachs from atronachy and atromancy identical?
If yes, I think consent applies to both. It would be like humans reproducing; a child still has their own agency, even if they were “created” by the parents.
If not… it depends, really. Hypothetically speaking, if you create one through atronachy, and release [it? them?] free, would [it? they?] be able to take autonomous decisions?
Atronachy can create golems from any inanimate material, and it also requires using the soul of a mortal, so it’s probably more like slavery.
In a quest in one of the first two games, you are tasked with destroying one such golem that escaped from the mage’s guild and was rampaging through the countryside. It was created using the soul of one of the local ruling family members and it seemed to have been taking revenge.
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I don’t play Elder Scrolls so I had to dig this up.
Flame atronachs are apparently elemental daedra (divine beings who are not ancestors of human beings, unlike the aedra), summoned through Atromancy. Apparently they are able to make their own decisions, so they have agency, so consent applies to them.
But I couldn’t find how much the conjuration process removes their agency; if they’re forced to obey the conjurer’s orders to the letter, if they can creatively interpret those orders, or if it’s a single order.
There is also Atronachy whereby you are not summoning an atronach, but making your own like a golem.
But I am skeptical about the agency they have being bound to a sunmoner. The basic ritual that all conjuration derives from is also the basis for paralyzation spells.
Also also, the lore has a fascination with some dude who was obsessed with getting himself a cold-flame atronach, though he was never able to. But it was achieved by another hundreds of years later.
Are the atronachs from atronachy and atromancy identical?
If yes, I think consent applies to both. It would be like humans reproducing; a child still has their own agency, even if they were “created” by the parents.
If not… it depends, really. Hypothetically speaking, if you create one through atronachy, and release [it? them?] free, would [it? they?] be able to take autonomous decisions?
Atronachy can create golems from any inanimate material, and it also requires using the soul of a mortal, so it’s probably more like slavery.
In a quest in one of the first two games, you are tasked with destroying one such golem that escaped from the mage’s guild and was rampaging through the countryside. It was created using the soul of one of the local ruling family members and it seemed to have been taking revenge.
Got it — then they have agency, much like anyone else. So they should be able to consent, and to get that consent violated by the spell.
Thanks for the info!