I don’t think justice should focus on trying to fix what was broken for that reason. It should focus on punishing who broke it, so that the community’s sense of a just world is restored and so it can heal.
No, it should focus on fixing what is broken… With the person who broke it. The damaged thing should be restored, but punitive incarceration does nothing for society. Put them in therapy and doing community service to “repay their debt”. Sticking them in a cell for 20 years doesn’t help anyone.
It’s impossible to undo the past and therefore to really fix anything. This is why we focus on punishing the perpetrator and why mitigating the damage they cause is treated as a separate issue.
Even if you could wave your magic wand and make it as if a terrible act never happened, you’d still punish the perpetrator anyway because they still did what they did.
You might not want people to be punished, but we’re going to anyway because it is what a just world by definition is. And no, you’re not gonna argue that a just world is not that just so you can win an argument with me. Evildoers will be punished and that, given how you oppose the notion, likely includes you too. Get over it like you tell victims to do.
That’s quite the reaction to someone saying “torturing people isn’t actually helpful
And a valid one because no one said a goddamn thing about torturing anyone. I said “punish”. The fact that you’re so blatantly and transparently trying to strawman shows that you have an agenda.
You’re just a manipulative, enabling asshole with the goal of protecting and defending evil people from accountability. You know why it is the chief enabler in any relationship protects the abuser from consequences? Because they, themselves, are abusers too. That’s you, you are the chief enabler. And I do not have the patience for your shit today.
And a valid one because no one said a goddamn thing about torturing anyone. I said “punish”.
Okay, explain what you mean here by punishment then. I’m not saying “Let him go with a promise not to do it again.” I’m saying the consequences they face for this should be focused on rehabilitation, as punishment for the sake of punishment is nothing more than torturing someone just for the sake of it.
The fact that you’re so blatantly and transparently trying to strawman shows that you have an agenda.
With that in mind could you explain your agenda with these statements?
. Evildoers will be punished and that, given how you oppose the notion, likely includes you too. Get over it like you tell victims to do
and
You’re just a manipulative, enabling asshole with the goal of protecting and defending evil people from accountability. You know why it is the chief enabler in any relationship protects the abuser from consequences? Because they, themselves, are abusers too. That’s you, you are the chief enabler. And I do not have the patience for your shit today.
The projection is strong with this one. Enabling and defending a justice system based on cruelty and abuse, then saying those who defend abusers are abusers themselves. You’re telling on yourself here.
No, it should focus on fixing what is broken… With the person who broke it. The damaged thing should be restored, but punitive incarceration does nothing for society. Put them in therapy and doing community service to “repay their debt”. Sticking them in a cell for 20 years doesn’t help anyone.
It’s impossible to undo the past and therefore to really fix anything. This is why we focus on punishing the perpetrator and why mitigating the damage they cause is treated as a separate issue.
Even if you could wave your magic wand and make it as if a terrible act never happened, you’d still punish the perpetrator anyway because they still did what they did.
You might not want people to be punished, but we’re going to anyway because it is what a just world by definition is. And no, you’re not gonna argue that a just world is not that just so you can win an argument with me. Evildoers will be punished and that, given how you oppose the notion, likely includes you too. Get over it like you tell victims to do.
That’s quite the reaction to someone saying “torturing people isn’t actually helpful.”
You sound like a reasonable person worth continuing to have a conversation with. /s
And a valid one because no one said a goddamn thing about torturing anyone. I said “punish”. The fact that you’re so blatantly and transparently trying to strawman shows that you have an agenda.
You’re just a manipulative, enabling asshole with the goal of protecting and defending evil people from accountability. You know why it is the chief enabler in any relationship protects the abuser from consequences? Because they, themselves, are abusers too. That’s you, you are the chief enabler. And I do not have the patience for your shit today.
Okay, explain what you mean here by punishment then. I’m not saying “Let him go with a promise not to do it again.” I’m saying the consequences they face for this should be focused on rehabilitation, as punishment for the sake of punishment is nothing more than torturing someone just for the sake of it.
With that in mind could you explain your agenda with these statements?
and
The projection is strong with this one. Enabling and defending a justice system based on cruelty and abuse, then saying those who defend abusers are abusers themselves. You’re telling on yourself here.