Some friends I just can’t shake

hard enough

around the neck

with a firm grip

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      I love that they excuse their vote as anything else.

      I just want a tax cut. (and don’t care about the republic or my friends’ lives)

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        And said tax cut will work like this:

        Step 1: Before it happens, you’re asked to publicly dream about what an extra $4000 will do for you on social media. Step 2: Once it passes, you get a 0.1% tax cut. Enough for one extra pizza. Per year. The bill will also includes 3 tax raises only for the poor, one every 4 years that follow. Step 3: The corporation you work for, meanwhile, gets a 16% tax cut. With it, they’ll announce a $2000 one-time payment to all workers. Which will be rescinded as soon as it’s been reported about on local news. The bill also includes 3 further, even bigger tax cuts for the rich, one every 4 years.

        End result: taxes raised on the poor, taxes lowered for the rich, but lots of social media euphoria from the working class, lots of newspaper clippings of bosses giving their workers generous one-time payments (that never materialized). And next election cycle, Fox News can dig up all the happy reports and the truth of the matter has never even entered the attention span of the royally-effed-over working class voters.

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      Aw come on… they’re not trying to end your existence. They just don’t want to be alive or exist.

      Okay wait actually some DO want to end your existence directly. But most wished if you just died.

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        Most of them would be fine if you just denied everything about yourself that didn’t conform and pretended to be just like them.

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            No, you forget about, “the good ones.”

            Just don’t ever expect your existence to change their beliefs. Hell you could climb the ranks in the party even make it to the Supreme Court. As long as you have no problem shutting the door on people who look just like you because of the way they look.

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      If you were to try to argue their view, I think they would say that their only problem is when you exhibit immortal behavior. Their definition of immoral behavior isn’t the only historic definition but is certainly a prominent one.

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    I have some Friends which are more Conservative then me but we get along pretty well. We even talk about politics. It’s sometimes pretty interesting to see another point of view and to understand where they coming from.

    (For clarification European conservative not American conservative)

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    I have [a] conservative family.

    To be conservative in 2024, you have to dismiss that some people in our community are miserable and every day we leave them to their fate is heinous.

    In the US, a failure to vote [against] any given Republican (by voting [for] an opposing democrat) is another step towards autocracy and genocide. Every Republican in office is a force towards the Heritage Foundation’s 2025 project, by which they will unmake the meager democratic features and civil rights that remain in the US.

    Conservatives believe, by the natural extrapolation of their positions and behavior, I have no right to exist. (Curiously, this includes my own father, who simultaneously facilitates political efforts seeking out my extinction while expressing a dissonant interest in my well-being. He doesn’t dare connect the two in his mind.)

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    I don’t have conservative friends because I’m not friends with toxic people. I wish them well all dead

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    I don’t care what you believe or what direction you lean politically. I won’t be friends with jerkoffs and assholes.

    That being said, all my friends are left-leaning. 🤷‍♂️

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    I don’t agree with the fascist lifestyle. I think they should keep it behind closed doors. On another planet. Not this one.

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    shifts uncomfortably

    Nope! I know what conservatives want and what they stand for, when I tell them to fuck off it’s with pride and volume. Conservative isn’t a race, a color, a religion or a sexuality. It’s not beyond your control. It’s a series of moral decisions made by a fully competent adult who can absolutely be held responsible for what they believe and what they try to do with their power in the world.

  • BringMeTheDiscoKing@lemmy.ca
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    I have a couple of conservative friends. We just don’t talk about politics or the issues of the day. Surprisingly it’s not that hard.

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      You know, there’s so many people I have tried this with. They just won’t stop bringing it up even when it is completely unrelated to what we’re doing. One of them told me he feels smart because when that comes up I usually walk away to avoid the endless drama and he took that to mean that his position and opinions had so confounded me that leaving was my only way to respond.

      Stuff like “yeah I think religion should be enshrined in the Constitution and everyone should have to live by our rules” and “if women don’t want to have kids they should keep their legs closed”.

      Like, even if I thought engaging had any chance of working it’s just such braindead regurgitated Fox talking points that I wouldn’t engage anyway. Just waiting for these people to get everything they want and suffer for it.

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        A distressing number of people seem to have inhibition problems.

        A further distressing number are narcissists.

        We shouldn’t be surprised though, that’s exactly how they were programmed. The more it became acceptable to pander to our baser instincts, the more profitable it became and the more profit driven concerns did it. The more screen time we had in our upbringing (back when we called it ‘tv’) the more likely we are to have taken on the programming of exceptionalism and decide that what’s good for everyone isn’t what’s good for us.

        I don’t necessarily think it was planned that way, but the people who thought that it might be the result were relegated to the fringe.

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      You must have better friends than I.

      Every conservative I know or knew is walking around with pent-up anger, seemingly ready explode over whatever their handlers in the media have railed them up against that day. I guess that is what keeps them active at the ballot box and prevents them from taking a step back, calming down, thinking and questioning the narrative. Either way, it became pretty much impossible to have any kind of outing with these people present.

      It’s gotten really tiresome to even look for common ground anymore. Things that were fine just yesterday suddenly make them foam at the mouth. And lately, the persecution complex, too.

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        Hmm part of it might be that I’m in eastern Canada where there are still ‘progessive conservatives’ and people don’t seem to care so much about politics anyway.

        A world away from the USA in terms of media influence.

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      No no no, don’t you see? You need to cutoff all communication with them and get them arrested and ruin their lives bro.

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        I mean, I’m sorry, but if they believe that abortion is baby murder, black people are predisposed to being criminals, poor people don’t deserve to have healthcare, and trans kids should have to live in a miserable hell that makes them want to commit suicide, I’m not going to just “not talk about it” and stay friends with them. If your morals are that fucked, I can’t in good conscience call you a friend.

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            Have you been living under a rock the past ~8 years? Those bullet points are central to the current GOP’s platform. That’s what you’re voting for when you vote republican.

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            It is when they vote for people who outwardly say that shit. I don’t care what they claim to believe, I only care what their actions say they believe. I don’t know a single “conservative” who wouldn’t vote for a politician aiming to infringe upon minority rights, and if you’re voting for people who want me to be forced to bear a child I don’t want, or who want my trans sibling to be banned from receiving life-saving medical care, or who want to deregulate the medical industry so that insurance companies and profit-hospital CEOs can line their pockets at the expense of the working class, or who want to give more money to racist cops who harass my black friends? Then you can talk about how you don’t hate trans people all you want but the consequences of your actions say otherwise. You can say abortion doesn’t bother you but I don’t believe you. You can say “well, I have a black friend” but you’re still voting for racists. And I’m sorry, but that makes you a bad person and I won’t be friends with a bad person.

            Maybe in other countries it’s different. But American conservatives only want to “conserve” the status quo of rich white people doing whatever they want and everyone else getting fucked. They can deny it, but until they stop voting for it there’s zero reason to believe them.

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            I think that’s what mainstream US conservatism and its adherents think that’s what “conservative” means. And honestly, that’s pretty much been the undercurrent of US conservatism for over 20 years, they’re just now saying the quiet parts out loud.

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            I think the term’s meaning shifts greatly depending on the country. In Finland, a whole lot of conservative politicians voted in favour of less restrictive abortion laws and their conservative party is in favour of same-sex marriage.

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      So, you’re saying you are okay with hanging out with people who are completely okay with the oppression and marginalization of minorities. You choose to keep people around who want other people to loose thier rights. You keep people in your life that support book banning and information suppression.

      I would not hang out with you.

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    Wow, sometimes I invoke Poe’s law when people say no one here gets a joke, but like what the hell happens here

    It’s clearly just joking mirroring. Of course we don’t want intolerant people in our discourse.

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    I have conservative friends. Almost all of them oppose Trump. The point you think you’re making isn’t as clear as you think. The narrative of someone using the “I’m a conservative and I’m being silenced/discriminated” isn’t coming from actual conservatives but rather from MAGA and white nationalist clowns pushing a hateful, un-Christian, not actually classic conservative agenda.

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      Religion should be opposed via education, culture, and general science, not via the state. Religion is conservative, but there are good religious people.

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      All religions are technically conservative. Individuals have individual relationships with their religions though.