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Conservatives believe whatever feels good for them to believe at that exact moment. The only evidence they need that a white football player dating a white pop star is a psyop is the cortisol their brain gave them when they came up with the idea.
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Research suggests, on a psychological level, conspiracist ideation—belief in conspiracy theories—can be harmful or pathological, and is highly correlated with psychological projection, as well as with paranoia, which is predicted by the degree of a person’s Machiavellianism.
conspiracy theories
The term “conspiracy theory” is itself the subject of a conspiracy theory, which posits that the term was popularized by the CIA in order to discredit conspiratorial believers, particularly critics of the Warren Commission, by making them a target of ridicule.[55] In his 2013 book Conspiracy Theory in America, political scientist Lance deHaven-Smith wrote that the term entered everyday language in the United States after 1964, the year in which the Warren Commission published its findings on the Kennedy assassination, with The New York Times running five stories that year using the term.[56]
I think it’s a bit dangerous to label all conspiracy theorists as nuts.
Epstein didn’t kill himself is a conspiracy theory and so was an elite pedo ring before he was arrested. Trump taking money from the Russian and Saudies is a conspiracy theory.
This current one is silly but not because all conspiracies are.
I never said that, to be fair.
Of course there are conspiracies. People in power want to stay in power, and they’ll do shady things to get what they want.
That’s not the same as conspiracist ideation, which is a tendency to believe in conspiracy theories. Even as the article I quoted said, it can be harmful or pathological, but isn’t necessarily. It’s just when it happens to an extreme level. There’s a difference between rational fears and phobias; intrusive thoughts are normal, but can be frequent, uncontrollable, and distressing; conspiracies can be true, but then there’s buck wild nonsense like Q, “Cultural Marxism,” and this shit about the Superbowl. It’s not recognizing conspiracies when presented with evidence, it’s spinning conspiracy theories out of nothing, and viewing everything as part of a master plot, even if it doesn’t make any goddamn sense.
It used to be a laugh, it was fun to play what-if and talk about aliens and Bilderberg meetings. Obviously the rich and powerful are plotting to run the world right? Art Bell, the X-Files, it was all so much fun. At some point, and I’m not really sure when, it went completely off the rails though. It’s not fun anymore.
So then why don’t they bet on it and make tons of cash?
Because there’s a chance trump and the good guys can defeat the forces of evil and un-rig the SuperBowl
But only if you send them a cheque for your entire life savings
What, and take time out of their busy outrage schedule?
They probably will bet on it.
How does that dispute their underlying point?
Also, I very much doubt that NFL game fixing is so hard to believe. The United States has a strong history of game fixing in all of its nationally popular athletic leagues. From boxing to baseball. (Say it ain’t so, Joe)
So we should not be surprised at the possibility that the NFL would do the same thing, particularly after happily integrating gambling into their entire product at an unprecedented rate over the past 5 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_match-fixing_incidents
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal
Regardless, this is legitimately the most important presidential election in US history. Trump’s victory would destroy the United States. Given that, it would be malpractice for the American and Western intelligence agencies not to utilize the most watched 3.5 hours of 2024 American television to diminish Trump and boost his opponents.
I hope that Taylor Swift/The Chiefs are a psychological operation of our intelligence agencies. Our agencies need to be doing things like that to ensure Trump loses. Because if he wins then The West will end. And I have to live here in The West, so I would prefer that it didn’t end.
Wait, so you’re hoping that the American government is covertly manipulating the roughly 1 in 3 Americans who watch the Superbowl expressly to retain the incumbents power because it means we’d avoid a fascist autocracy?
Yes, because the alternative would be even worse
I fully agree that our current system is incredibly broken though. It’s just that Trump, and the Heritage Foundations Project 2025, etc, would make things drastically worse than they already are
We aren’t a meaningfully “free” country, at least not by any charitable definition. But that doesn’t mean we can’t get worse. We can, and we will if Trump wins
But if you become a monster just so you can destroy a monster, have you really accomplished anything worthwhile?
I just want the fascists on my side.
Depends how bad the other monster was, I suppose.
Becoming Tony Soprano as a means of stopping Sauron, for instance, would likely be worth it.
Here, the combined intelligence agencies of the West appear to think that Trump is an existential threat to Western civilization. If they’re correct about that then I guess that justifies rigging the Super Bowl. Especially when you consider that there are significantly worse things (Gaza Genocide) going on right now. To say nothing of the bad things that they/we did in the past
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Far-right influencer Rogan O’Handley went so far as to suggest that if the Chiefs won the Super Bowl, Swift and Kelce would trigger an apocalyptic chain of events that would kill millions. “You MUST defeat the Chiefs,” O’Handley wrote in an X post addressed to the San Francisco 49ers. “If you don’t, Mr. Pfizer and his girlfriend are going to tour the country as ‘world champions’ helping elect Joe Biden WW3 will likely follow in a 2nd Biden term and millions will die. The fate of the free world rests upon your shoulders”
Just wow. Only a tidbit of the crazy they are spouting in this article.
I don’t get it.
Why would the cabal, the super influential group secretly controlling all our actions, need a football team to win the superbowl to defeat them, and why would they, in all their Machiavellian wisdom, not have considered the 50% chance event that their football team loses?
Why would they pick Biden for another term then start WW3? Why not just start it now if that’s what they want and he’s already their puppet? They’ve had 3 years and there’s certainly enough political tinder in the world to start a fire.
None of this makes any coherent sense.
You know what, I’ve thought about this some more and the reasoning is clear.
If the 49ers win, they’ll inadvertantly resurrect Harvey Milk, who will kill JFK (who faked his own death and has been lying in wait), who will then be unable to reclaim the last months of his presidency (his term was never officially ended you know) which he planned to use to restore Donald Trump to power. Harvey Milk will then become president and make heterosexuality illegal and force us to live in 15 minute neighborhoods.
That must be their angle! They win either way!
There’s one key piece you’re missing, Joe Montana is actually resurrected Harvey Milk & has been this whole time.
This plan began back when Joe was winning Super Bowls, but Steve Young was an unexpected hiccup. The queer stopped spreading as fast when Joe got traded.
This Superbowl has been chosen specifically because Montana played for both the Chiefs & the 49ers, & because Joe Montana is also Taylor Swift.
They were going to do it 4 years ago, but Joe was still Arianna Grande back then.
It’ll all make sense when Andy Reid eats Travis Kelce during halftime.
Excuse my ignorance, but is there something going around about 15-minute neighborhoods? Someone pretty kooky mentioned something about that to me just today (in relation to Chattanooga, I think, but I didn’t exactly follow the crazy train of thought). Something about how they’re monitoring everyone and they can’t take more than 100 trips outside that zone or something. I know it’s all nonsense but there’s also usually some tie back into reality.
I found this USA Today https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/04/10/fact-check-false-claim-15-minute-cities-lock-down-residents/11593351002/
From a snippet:
Moreno said the posts are inaccurate and misconstrue the nature of the urban planning framework.
“The 15-minute city is the opposite of lockdown,” Moreno said. “The 15-minute city is an open and connected city, which balances the differences in access to services.”
The framework does not limit residents’ ability to leave their neighborhoods or access services in other areas of the city.
“All citizens are free to go where they want," Moreno said. "There are no constraints.”
Thank you for this! I figured it was the usual mix of 1) a term based in reality, 2) a dash of sci-fi / dystopian tale, and 3) a whole ton of crazy.
The abilities of some to twist and misconstrue almost everything is almost impressive. Anytime anything might be helpful to society, they come up with conspiracies and ways it must be for evil.
I don’t have, and never planned on having, any kids but, I always vote for and push for education. It is scary what large numbers of ignorant people can accomplish.
$0.02:
Optimistically: they’re just crazy. Some have access to a louder bullhorn than others, but it’s just garden variety insanity.
Pessimistically: someone has a huge pile of cash riding on the outcome of the game, and is making a Hail Mary pass of their own to sway the outcome.
This is my response to all conspiracy theories. If this deep state cabal is so powerful, and has access to unlimited resources to achieve their agenda, wouldn’t it be easier to just declare martial law and send the deep state army in to drag us all into the streets, point a gun at our heads and say comply or die? Why the theatrics? Is the deep state the Joker? Why not just shoot Batman in the head and be done with it?
It’s because so much conspiracy theory requires the conspirators to be simultaneously all powerful but hilariously weak and stupid. And all their plans have to be announced and hinted at through pop culture and in ways that are suspiciously similar to popular movies and TV shows as remembered by people with no media literacy.
Brilliantly coded reference to Nicki Minaj (“it’s the butt have culture people“), “rapper” and illuminatiarian with 5G cheek implants controlling society via the minds of our youth. Didn’t expect to be so enlightened in this thread.
I don’t want what he is having.
millions will die
Didn’t seem to care about that too much during Covid, not sure why it’s a problem for him now.
I don’t get it, do the Chiefs have Swift and Kelce as spokespeople or something? Why would they tour with Chiefs, if that’s what they’re saying.
Travis Kelce plays for the chiefs, Taylor and Travis are dating. Taylor is present at many chiefs games and almost surely will be at the Super Bowl. Taylor is very outspoken about the need to vote, rarely if ever says who to vote for but presses the need to have your voice heard. Republicans and other fascists know that their policies are wildly unpopular, especially with the youth, and so hate the idea of anyone encouraging the youth or anyone else to vote and possibly outnumber the hateful citizens that normally vote for republicans
I’m continually impressed at how good Joe Biden is at running this vast, secret, deep state network of people rigging everything… while being so bad at anything else.
Obligatory definitions of fascism #8:
Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as “at the same time too strong and too weak”.
Kind of how jews are supposedly inferior while also secretly running everything.
Or the lazy immigrant that also wants to take our jobs.
I’ve met a bunch of immigrants of all types on construction sites… those people are some of the nicest and hardest working people i’ve ever met. Then I have to work with conservative white men sometimes and… hoo boy. I can’t get off those job sites fast enough 😂
On a worksite, you avoid the guys that travel one person to truck and associate with the 6 or 7 guys that pile out of a single truck.
And also how Palestinians are simultaneously inferior animals who have to hide on tunnels and at the same time are a powerful cabal that infiltrated all the international agencies to make them antisemites. Fascism is one discourse wearing many disguises.
Maybe tell the right wingers that inhaling oxygen is socialism and supported by Biden and the Democrats.
That could solve all of our problems.
I hear some republican called Cohaagen is trying to make that claim
The joke is on them… the game is definitely rigged, she’s paid off the NFL so that she can announce she’s running for president on an independent ticket against Trump and Biden.
Sadly, that could make Trump win. Swift stealing the younger voters from Biden. No trump supporters would waver for some young singer so the vote would split.
Why would the Superbowl need to be rigged for her to do this? Everything the woman does is already reported and televised everywhere.
The theory is that it needs to be rigged so that the Chiefs are in the super bowl because she is linked to Chiefs player Travis Kelce. So Kelce playing in the Super Bowl gives her a very plausible reason for being there and for being heavily featured with him
I get that. What I’m saying is it doesn’t matter. She’s got media attention 24/7 if she wants to say something. Anyone who would be swayed by her is already listening.
But it would look weird if she was there and heavily featured and the Chiefs weren’t playing. This result makes it look much more “natural” which makes it easier for the public to accept and not question (“She’s his gf, of course she’s there! And if she just happened to endorse Biden/diminish Trump at or after being heavily featured on the most watched tv program of the year by far then that’s just a coincidence!”)
The point is that this introduces her to a mainstream American audience in the most “natural” way possible. Which then allows her to persuade the public throughout the rest of the year because we all will feel like we already “know” her. Plenty of people already “know” her, of course. But we don’t need to reach those people. We need to reach the undecided and out of touch Americans in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona - and we do that by using the Super Bowl as a political branding opportunity with our cleancut and All-American characters of Taylor Swift and her classy bf Travis Kelce.
It’s pretty simple marketing/branding/persuasion. Not even the most complicated marketing effort that she herself has been involved in.
But they don’t need the super bowl for that. She could go outside wearing a Biden t-shirt and it’d be plastered all over everyone’s screens in 20 minutes. Going to the effort of rigging the Superbowl to get Taylor Swift in front of people is just unnecessary. The work is already done for you.
The people you’re trying to reach are the people who would never hear about her wearing a shirt like that.
You need uneducated swing voters in swing states. Aka, people who perpetually have their head in the sand. Using the Super Bowl is one of the only ways to reach those people and is one of the only remaining artifacts of the monoculture
Why would they give a shit about Taylor Swift’s opinion if they’re not already aware of her?
Why do people currently give a shit about Taylor Swift’s opinion if they used to be unaware of her?
The goal is the spread her influence and encourage more Americans to follow her. Particularly women, who are more likely to support Swift and Democrats anyway
I don’t think any of this, if true, is bad btw. It’s how “free and fair” elections have always worked in the United States, or at least for the past 60 years. And it’s worth it if it means Trump does not win
Doesn’t mean we should pretend that our government doesn’t regularly do things like this though
Haven’t the chiefs been in 3 of the last 4 SBs? They’re a strong team, it’s not much of a surprise.
They’re genuinely not a strong team this year. They have no passcatchers outside of Kelce and their rb is a 7th rounder. Obviously Mahomes is good, but that’s about it. They’re the weakest they’ve been since this dynasty began, which is partially because they’ve had weak draft picks from all of their recent success.
So it strains credulity a bit that they’re in the super bowl again given this team. San Francisco should destroy them without much of an issue - we’ll see if that’s in the script though
Hahahahahahaha bahahahahahaaa. Oh wait… They’re serious. Let me laugh even harder BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHQHAHAH!
There’s a Q six letters in. There’s 12 months in a year, which is 6x2. That means THIS YEAR BIDEN RIGGED THE SUPER BOWL! It’s clearly an admission from a secret agent associatied with Q.
/s just in case it’s needed, because we live in the dumbest of all possible time lines.
Careful, every time we say we live in the dumbest possible timeline somebody on the other side says hold my beer.
Homer Simpson: “We live in the dumbest possible timeline… so far.”
As a Niners fan…I fully expect Taylor swift to win
Kittle does his thing, Greenlaw and Bosa too.
I’m just waiting for it all to devolve into a kind of nonsense where they all go crazy and do a suicide pact or some shit like the Heavens Gate cult. It can’t be far behind with the delusions they spit out day after day.
They had a trial run with bleach already
Taylor Swift doesn’t need the Superbowl.
She can have a regular owl like the rest of us.
You have an owl? Funny i never got mine.
Rachael: Do you like our owl?
Deckard: It’s artificial?
Rachael: Of course it is.
Deckard: Must be expensive.
Rachael: Very.
I can’t even afford an artificial owl. :(
Conservatives are so out of touch that they think that Taylor Swift still needs a platform after a record breaking music tour. If anything, she is the platform that the NFL needs for a female audience, not the other way around.
I’m almost certain she can just buy a Superbowl now
That’s because right wingers are the dumbest people on the planet
“Editor wastes ink on this bullshit instead of the news”
Not a waste of ink - it got you and a bunch of to read and react to it.
And thar’s gold in them eyeballs…
Jokes on them. No one reads articles here.
That’s why they’re putting ads in the headlines now.
Implying that anything happening in the US is news, not just bullshit.
That has to be the lamest conspiracy theory of 2024, and we’re only in January. Strap in, kids. It’s election year and it’s finna be a doozy.
actually, they have been planning a new series of incredibly complex conspiracies with almost no payoff, as a conspiracy to make regular conspiracies seem less plausible…
Some kind of Big Lie you might say
Cue the anon.
