As a consequence, have a person’s kids taken away? Or should there be any consequences?
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I’m straightforward and don’t want to give any ‘fluff’ So I don’t know how else to ask this question without it sounding rage baity.
This isn’t a gotcha or trap to argue with anyone I feel and believe I can learn something of value from people I disagree with. It is interesting to know why you disagree and what reasons make you feel x y and z about things.
I’m here to listen, not judge or throw around name calling or fight with you. You feel the way you do for whatever reason, and I want to know a little more about why you do and that is it.
I would like for everyone to feel confident voicing how they feel about this question. I don’t care if I disagree with you. Fighting with you is not how I’d like to spend my evening. I’m sure you don’t either.
I might ask follow ups like, “Why is it that you feel that way?” Or “can you tell me a little bit more” so I can understand your point of view better. And that’s it.
If that feels too much or you don’t want to. Totally fine. Just ignore my comment to you.
Thanks for your time.
They should be able to take blockers until they decide but they must also as a condition be testdriving what its like to do other gender stuff (dress, name, vocal, etc).
The parents should also be forensically examined to make sure they are not simply capitalizing and pressuring the kid to conform or branch out in this way. Lots of Munchausen losers out there who want to be special or birth special or get a one-way ticket to a vicarious disabillity case they can charge rent to in perpetuity.
I’m a left-wing socialist before anybody questions my bona fides, I just have way too much experience with “parents” who want a basic income from their abillity to fuck and birth children they then enslave to handle all the rest of life’s burdens.
Trans people are losing their rights, facing abuse, and dying in greater numbers than ever. The idea that parents are forcing their kids to transition as part of some trend is part of an active misinformation campaign behind the people trying to create wedges to undermine trans folks ability to access care.
You may be a left wing socialist, but you’re parroting right wing, anti trans wedge tactics
Was the first thing I said. You can wind down, I’m not against anything but rhetoricians giving fiery nothing-burger speeches encouraging rash expediation of something that requires no such thing or to be done in any such fashion.
What is the rush if they are able to access puberty blockers and what are you seriously proposing?
Is this medicine? What is the damn rush once the hormones/anti-hormones are prescribed to delay the decisions requiring a more mature and set mind?
All the arguments you can literally make from the other side. Perhaps the rush is artificially imposed from + on both sides and a product of a polarized debate that is non-referential (responsive) to any medical or psychological process or the focus on the child’s health/wellness that would otherwise be organic to the overall effort.
You are not a dr. I am not a dr. Lets listen to drs but also ensure that kids aren’t being forced into something that is not them and reduce the impediments to being evaluated and going through the process so the right people are treated and others are given an off-ramp where it would be inappropriate or detrimental.
I’m saying “let drs figure it out” but also we need to learn from the successes and failures and if there’s any sign of parental coercion, control needs to be removed from the parent and invested in an arbiter who is required to be responsive to the health and safety of the child. That will be all
You’re also saying that parents should be given the 3rd degree and implying that many parents actively force their children through transition as a fad.
That’s not something that happens in any meaningful way, but creating a situation where parents are grilled and doubted for supporting their trans children actively hurts trans kids.
I was pushed into being things I didn’t want to be by my parents.
edit: And I believed I was those things until massive therapy in adulthood finally helped me get in touch with my true self
Ah, the puberty double standard returns to haunt us all. Trans kids going on HRT is not somehow more dangerous or damaging than cis kids going through puberty. If you find a 14 year old trans kid on HRT to be more disturbing than a cis 14 year old undergoing puberty that’s pretty much a you problem, because both can and will have permanent effects.
Doctors already know to do this on a case by case basis. This isn’t news to anyone. Kids aren’t forced on HRT. The idea that doctors don’t ever speak to the kid without the parent present, extensively, about what they want out of HRT and why is basically a paranoid fantasy that has been sold to you by right wingers. Take it or leave it, that’s what it is.
Right. And the effects of one of those paths has been debugged over the course of about a hundred million years. The other like what 50 years?
If you don’t see the difference in the danger there, you’re not trying or you’re not good at seeing.
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Yes, the right does, in fact hammer the point home about detransitioning. I will not deny that.
In your opinion, is there, or what could be a ‘good’ middle ground on the issue of some people who detransition.? Do you think there ever will be middle ground on it?
I watched a talk with Blair white and some others who are trans talj about detransitioning. I don’t remember the name of the YouTube channel that hosted it.
However, I can find it if you’d like for further clarification.
Anyway, that seemed to be the general consensus on detransitioning. That we don’t know that much about it, and the only thing we can do is learn from it and add it to research.
In your opinion, do you think that is the only option we’ll have ?
Thanks again for answering
Social detransition can be done by anyone at any time they like.
Medical transition though has one of the lowest regret rates of any medical procedure people go through. More people regret life saving cancer treatments than regret transition surgeries for example. More people regret plastic surgery than regret transition surgeries. Fill in the blank. More people regret surgery than transiton surgery will be true for pretty much any surgery, that is how low regret rates are.
“The right” hammers home outright lies and misrepresentation, because their goal isn’t to get facts out there or to encourage valuable discussion, their goal is to make it harder for trans folk to access medical care, and muddying the waters is part of that.
So far in this thread I’ve seen you claim there’s less regret for transition surgery than for:
Where do you get these numbers from?
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Thank you for answering my question, appreciate your response. So for this part, would you consider any age appropriate for a child to get on blockers? Or do you feel more like there should be an age limitation? I know that’s a hot issue, so I’m just curious what your thoughts on that are.
For the rest of your comment. If I think you’re talking about what I think you are, then I do agree with that.
Are you at all thinking of Jazz and her mother? If so, do you have any thoughts on that specific case at all?
Thanks again
At the end of the day, any bill that tries to codify or restrict any of this needs to be converted into a funding bill so it can be studied more and the political bullshit limited.
It is clearly living rent-free in many psychos minds so it needs to pay rent by converting all their restrictions that promise nothing and demand everything that conveniently also drive up the cost and legal ramifications of the whole thing or make it downright impossible and punish those who seek to pursue it into funding that eases the psychos minds by promising funding and research to further investigate what it is, who needs it, and how to optimize the process so it is done properly, given to those who need it and not just want to try on different costumes or are facing coercion, and that no politicians need to be involved or say anythjng about it at all like cancer or adhd or anything else more established
The medical field needs to be responsible for applying evidence-based medicine on the entire discourse. Any politician who tries to divide or dictate this policy needs to be