As a consequence, have a person’s kids taken away? Or should there be any consequences?
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I’m straightforward and don’t want to give any ‘fluff’ So I don’t know how else to ask this question without it sounding rage baity.
This isn’t a gotcha or trap to argue with anyone I feel and believe I can learn something of value from people I disagree with. It is interesting to know why you disagree and what reasons make you feel x y and z about things.
I’m here to listen, not judge or throw around name calling or fight with you. You feel the way you do for whatever reason, and I want to know a little more about why you do and that is it.
I would like for everyone to feel confident voicing how they feel about this question. I don’t care if I disagree with you. Fighting with you is not how I’d like to spend my evening. I’m sure you don’t either.
I might ask follow ups like, “Why is it that you feel that way?” Or “can you tell me a little bit more” so I can understand your point of view better. And that’s it.
If that feels too much or you don’t want to. Totally fine. Just ignore my comment to you.
Thanks for your time.
!00% disagree that a single doctor’s recommendation should ever be required to be followed, because sometimes doctors are wrong. That is why there are second opinions and ultimately it is the patient’s choice even if two doctors agree. People with extremely rare conditions being forced to have a specific treatment that they know isn’t working would be abuse.
I 100% agree with this, but it wasn’t the question.
The question was whether parents can override the choice of patient when the patient’s choice is supported by a doctor’s recommendation. And more specifically, whether parents can deny a reversible puberty delaying hormone treatment against the patient’s wishes and force the patient to undergo puberty against their will.
I don’t see anything about puberty blockers in the posts I was responding too, just a general statement about a single doctor and treatment, which is extremely vague so I just commented about the single doctor part. Treatment could also be simply presenting, it could be puberty blockers, and it could possibly be some kind of surgery for extreme cases of dysphoria although the last one is unlikely to be on the table without parents being on board in the first case.
The question is so vaguely worded and transitioning is such a broad description of so many things that it is likely to cause this kind of conflict with people who agree that a child who is trans should have autonomy in making their own decisions. Parents should be supportive, but I just hesitate to consider them abusive because there are also rare cases where the child is actually just unhappy with going through puberty and not actually trans but have difficulty describing it.
Would I think someone who opposed their kid who said they were trans since they were five going on puberty blockers is being abusive? Yes.
Would I think someone who opposed their kid who suddenly say they were trans when puberty hits along with describing the reason being that they don’t like having periods while still being find being called she/her going on puberty blockers is being abusive? Nope, that parent is probably paying better attention to their child’s need for support as they go through puberty.
This is a big and complicated topic and a simple ‘child and doctor say X so parent is abusive’ is fine as a default assumption as long as there is room for the doctor to be wrong and the child to be confused.
Yes, but I didn’t want to get into all that because what type of insufferable pedant would demand so much detail in a casual forum? We can assume this. We’re not writing a thesis on medical care ffs.
Good thing no one is talking about being forced.
Redditeur detected. Blocking engaged.
If not following through on the treatment is abuse, then of course that would make the treatment forced.
Oh don’t worry nobody’s forcing you to do this. We’re just gonna take your kids if you don’t.