That sounds like terf garbage, why are you trying to take away validation from trans women, we’re not ‘forcing gender stereotypes’ onto people, maybe if you were trans you’d understand what it’s like to not be able to live life as who you really are and be forced to pretend you’re something you are not.
I understand the sentiment but there’s a lot in the image that’s arguably gender essentialist and/or not accurate.
Some thoughts:
Titties. Self-explanatory
Indeed they are, but they’re not a necessary condition to being a woman.
Decimate your fapping addiction
I think my main issue is the implicit assumption that the viewer has such an addiction to begin with. Also estrogen has ways of compensating for a lowered libido, such as a reduced/eliminated refractory period (of course ymmv). Source: guess ;p
Ability to wear adorable clothes
Boys can do this too!
ditch your angry, masculine mannerisms
This kind of just assumes that men have angry mannerisms, and is what I take most issue with tbh.
The path to anger management is primarily through introspection and/or therapy. Estrogen will not magically overhaul your personality, habits, and tendencies; there are things it changes, and it’s helped my mental state immensely—I wouldn’t give it up for the world and it helped facilitate the changes I needed for myself—but there’s so much extra work involved to in self-improvement and actualization than just acknowledging your gender identity and taking hrt.
From a sociological perspective (albeit anecdotal), every humanist movement I’ve ever seen in my lifetime (all the ones, I support, anyway) always seem to fall into toxic territory. Feminism is a great example. People are angry. And it’s completely understandable. These are injustices feminists, trans activists, etc. are fighting. Anger pushes people from a supportive movement for the marginalized community in question to the other side of things. Into, well, kinda hate.
These movements based on love and acceptance get bigger, which is the goal (as far as the movement itself goes, not the social issue), and—maybe this is an online thing—people in that group go from being supportive of other members of the community to spiteful and angry at the people outside of it. Or the counterparts/other social groups, for example, misandry in feminist circles, cishet people hate/disrespect in trans rights circles.
I don’t know why this is. I wish it weren’t the case. Because, when people try to steer others away from this kind of negativity, they are seen as traitors or whatever. And this, I know, is an online thing that only came up in the last few decades. Because nuance has no place in discussion anymore. People don’t know how to discuss or qualify nuance.
This comment, for example, in a lot of circles, would be downvoted because it sounds like I’m being critical of the trans rights movement—I’m not. I fully support trans people, their right to live and exist and be proud. But I am, technically, criticizing the movement itself, although I am really trying to criticize people. This happens over and over again and it only serves as fodder to those trying to hurt whichever movement. Look how feminism is seen by non feminists. Everyone within the movement is grouped together under the umbrella of the misandrists because it’s easier to dismiss the entire concept.
It sucks. Because while, yes, it is the people trying to take down whichever movement they dislike that are doing almost all of the legwork, there are always misguided people from within the movement that open that door by taking a good idea, sucking all nuance and thought out of it, and turning harmful by being…well, kinda wrong. Even if their hearts are in the right place. “Support trans rights, trans is beautiful, I love you all” turns into something that still may have that message, but tries to accomplish it by putting down or generalizing or actually disrespecting anyone outside the identity/marginalized group.
I started rambling. But this is something I think about a lot because I see it all over. The internet absolutely exacerbated this issue, if it didn’t create it in the first place.
Girl, this community is full of trans folks, and not all of us are trans women. I’d wager the majority of people annoyed with this post are not cis, and it seems like some of them are trans women, too
It’s not even something I would post in a community just for trans women, like what about trans women that don’t end up with these characteristics? Are people only trans women if they identify with these changes? Why is the assumption that men (and I guess pre-transition trans women) have anger issues and porn addictions? Why are those qualities tied to their hormones and physical bodies, so trans women who can’t or won’t medically transition are excluded from benefitting?
That sounds like terf garbage, why are you trying to take away validation from trans women, we’re not ‘forcing gender stereotypes’ onto people, maybe if you were trans you’d understand what it’s like to not be able to live life as who you really are and be forced to pretend you’re something you are not.
They’re not being transphobic, they’re correctly pointing out that your post’s description of how women differ from men is wildly inaccurate.
I can’t tell if either or both of them were sarcastic.
I understand the sentiment but there’s a lot in the image that’s arguably gender essentialist and/or not accurate.
Some thoughts:
Indeed they are, but they’re not a necessary condition to being a woman.
I think my main issue is the implicit assumption that the viewer has such an addiction to begin with. Also estrogen has ways of compensating for a lowered libido, such as a reduced/eliminated refractory period (of course ymmv). Source: guess ;p
Boys can do this too!
This kind of just assumes that men have angry mannerisms, and is what I take most issue with tbh.
The path to anger management is primarily through introspection and/or therapy. Estrogen will not magically overhaul your personality, habits, and tendencies; there are things it changes, and it’s helped my mental state immensely—I wouldn’t give it up for the world and it helped facilitate the changes I needed for myself—but there’s so much extra work involved to in self-improvement and actualization than just acknowledging your gender identity and taking hrt.
I agree with where you’re coming from.
From a sociological perspective (albeit anecdotal), every humanist movement I’ve ever seen in my lifetime (all the ones, I support, anyway) always seem to fall into toxic territory. Feminism is a great example. People are angry. And it’s completely understandable. These are injustices feminists, trans activists, etc. are fighting. Anger pushes people from a supportive movement for the marginalized community in question to the other side of things. Into, well, kinda hate.
These movements based on love and acceptance get bigger, which is the goal (as far as the movement itself goes, not the social issue), and—maybe this is an online thing—people in that group go from being supportive of other members of the community to spiteful and angry at the people outside of it. Or the counterparts/other social groups, for example, misandry in feminist circles, cishet people hate/disrespect in trans rights circles.
I don’t know why this is. I wish it weren’t the case. Because, when people try to steer others away from this kind of negativity, they are seen as traitors or whatever. And this, I know, is an online thing that only came up in the last few decades. Because nuance has no place in discussion anymore. People don’t know how to discuss or qualify nuance.
This comment, for example, in a lot of circles, would be downvoted because it sounds like I’m being critical of the trans rights movement—I’m not. I fully support trans people, their right to live and exist and be proud. But I am, technically, criticizing the movement itself, although I am really trying to criticize people. This happens over and over again and it only serves as fodder to those trying to hurt whichever movement. Look how feminism is seen by non feminists. Everyone within the movement is grouped together under the umbrella of the misandrists because it’s easier to dismiss the entire concept.
It sucks. Because while, yes, it is the people trying to take down whichever movement they dislike that are doing almost all of the legwork, there are always misguided people from within the movement that open that door by taking a good idea, sucking all nuance and thought out of it, and turning harmful by being…well, kinda wrong. Even if their hearts are in the right place. “Support trans rights, trans is beautiful, I love you all” turns into something that still may have that message, but tries to accomplish it by putting down or generalizing or actually disrespecting anyone outside the identity/marginalized group.
I started rambling. But this is something I think about a lot because I see it all over. The internet absolutely exacerbated this issue, if it didn’t create it in the first place.
hiya, am transfem
this is forcing garbage gender stereotypes
hope that clears things up 👍
Girl, this community is full of trans folks, and not all of us are trans women. I’d wager the majority of people annoyed with this post are not cis, and it seems like some of them are trans women, too
It’s not even something I would post in a community just for trans women, like what about trans women that don’t end up with these characteristics? Are people only trans women if they identify with these changes? Why is the assumption that men (and I guess pre-transition trans women) have anger issues and porn addictions? Why are those qualities tied to their hormones and physical bodies, so trans women who can’t or won’t medically transition are excluded from benefitting?
validation for one group should not come at the expense of another imo ><
trans women can be validated while not making men feel bad about themselves by pointing out a skewed perspective on masculinity
thankyous - a trans boy