There is a lot of bullshit out about knives. Not to be a food centrist (although I really am) but you hear about these 300+ dollar knives or 500 dollar knife sets, or these ultra cheap walmart knives that are “all you need”. These people are constantly at odds with each other, when that simply shouldn’t be the case. I just want to slice for gods sake. grillman. Most knife advice you find online will be bad. The people who know the most about knives are not online.

Top suggestion for all knives

If you’re in America, Restaurant Depot is the obvious choice for anything. Post-pandemic, non-restaurant people can come in. This is the place where you can get $1 paring knives and $5 chef’s knives. Many also have a commercial sharpening service in the depot, or nearby, so super cheap sharpening here too. Because the pros can always do it better than you. These are brands that us pro cooks have been using for decades, Dexter probably being the biggest. You can even get a decent Chinese cleaver for $30 bucks. These types of stores will probably have the best deals, but depending on where you are, your mileage may vary. But if you can buy from restaurant supply places, quality and price will always be good enough

If you’re not at RD/Wholesaler

Buy Mercer mostly. I hate to sound like an ad, but Mercer is easily the best mainstream knife brand price wise. They’re not amazing knives, they more just took Victorinox’s place. But Mercers cheapest line are pretty much the standard kitchen knives with minor QOL improvements such as the shape or material of the grip. As far as going cheap, the wholesalers will usually win, but Mercer can at least come close. I used to buy a lot of stuff from China, but the shippers over there usually aren’t willing to ship ANYTHING that could possibly be used as a weapon. Can’t even get food shipped most of the time, a knife is a stretch. They have decent prices on restaurant knives, but you can’t really buy from knives direct from China in the west.

First suggestion is the Mercer Bar/Paring Knife. With a 4 inch blade, they have extra length to cut more. Mercer also uses a copy of Victorinox’s grip design, which is by far the best paring knife grip available. However, Victorinox keeps raising their prices with their relative prestige, so they’re not the move anymore. They’re just Mercer with better QC and higher prices. If you sharpen your own knives at all, Victornox is a scam compared to Mercer. No matter what you buy after this, you NEED a paring knife. Most tools in the kitchen can be replaced with a paring knife, especially peelers.

The second suggestion is a bread knife, and this goes to Mercer again. Separate from price, this is my 2nd favorite bread knife. The 1st goes to a type of bread knife that seems exclusive amongst restaurant cooks. Here’s the Dexter version of this standard restaurant bread knife, but that’s a difference I noticed after thousands of sandwiches. The superior blade of the Mercer knife is a better choice for most people. The scalloped handle on the Dexter is super nice though, makes plating way easier

Main knives

You have a few picks for this. But you need a giant, sharp knife. You can peel a potato with a chef knife, you can replace a paring knife with a chef knife easy, but the opposite doesn’t apply. Try cutting a sweet potato with a paring knife and it’ll probably break

Cheapest suggestion is Dexter knives. You can get them dirt cheap at the right prices, and they’re good enough that you don’t get distracted by them. They also have any form factor you want. There are better knives, but since it’s the same price as bad knives, you shouldn’t buy anything worse than Dexter. However, you need to pick a main form factor for your main knife. You can have all the knives, but I find that people really only need one of these four.

  1. Classic Gyotos/Chef knives. They’re 8-10 inches, 210-240mm, and what you think of as a cooking knife. They’re good for everybody. If you don’t have the opportunity to experiment, or can’t think of which one of these knives would be most useful, buy one of these. The Mercer chef’s knife is $20.

  2. Santokus. My personal favorite. These are stubbier knives that still have a point at the end, usually with granton edging on the side to help with being non-stick. These knives were made as fusions between Japanese nakirkis (vegetable knives) and the Chef’s knife. These are the most versatile knife, long enough to cut anything, but also short enough to replace a paring knife in a pinch. The extra thickness over a Nakiri gives durability and versatility

  3. Chinese Cleavers. These are rectangles of metal with tiny grips on the side that force you to hold the blade. This is probably the most universally used. You can use it as a bench scraper and a million different other minor tools. Extremely useful, but require more education to use to their full potential. They’re big and clunky, and that’s only worth it if you intuitively understand why they’re big and clunky. These things do not break unless you seriously fuck up, you can realistically grind off all the metal before it becomes useless. These knives are more expensive than everything else I’ve listed, but their durability makes them extremely useful. CW: MEAT These are the only knives worth using to chop through bone and other similarly hard things.

  4. Nakiris. Japanese vegetable knives. Essentially just smaller, thinner chinese cleavers with larger handles. If you’re vegan, skip the cleaver and just go with the Nakiri. Compact, yet still full sized knives best for slicing easy things. Mercer has a cheap one that’s good. However, THESE KNIVES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PARTICULARLY THIN! These do require some babying to prevent from breaking if you cut anything super hard like sweet potatoes.

  • ReadFanon [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    11 months ago

    I’m going to show my philistine side here but know that I’m coming at this from a purely pragmatic angle.

    Most home cooks do not know how to care for and maintain nice knives. I have seen very nice, expensive knife sets in people’s houses which are completely neglected and because of that they’re about as useless as the cheap knives that you’ll get from a place like Walmart.

    If you’re into knives or you’re really into cooking then this advice doesn’t apply to you but if you’re more “just chuck it into the knife drawer with the rest of 'em” than you are inclined to have a knife roll with a regularly-used steel and a whetstone then this is worth considering:

    Kiwi brand knives are very popular globally, you can get them from Amazon but there’s a decent chance that you’ll find them in local Asian grocers regardless of which country you’re in.

    They are cheap.

    They do not have an edge like a professional chef would expect from their tool of the trade (although I’ve been surprised at how many western chefs I’ve come across that use these knives tbh) but that’s, uh, a double-edged sword because that kind of an edge requires a bit of regular maintenance which involves a degree of skill whereas Kiwi knives hold their edge for absolutely ages, even with a level of neglect that would turn most knives from tools to ornaments. They cope well with unskilled attempts at sharpening and those knife sharpener-type gadgets which make chefs and knife enthusiasts shudder.

    The handles aren’t as ergonomic as nicer, better designed knives and their QC is a bit lacking so give the knife handle a bit of a once-over to ensure that there’s no play in the tang and, if you’re opting for a wooden handle, make sure that the wood is smooth and free from defects before making a purchase.

    The only other downside is that the edge of the knife is slightly flimsy. This is not going to be a problem for 99% of use cases, especially for the home cook, but know that it’s possible to bend the knife at the edge if you really abuse it. But that’s unlikely to happen.

    In terms of bang for buck and the best performance for the least maintenance, I think Kiwi knives are really hard to go past especially for an entry-level home cook, for someone on a budget (see above re:santoku knives if you’re only going to buy one knife), or if you’re learning about knife care and you want a very forgiving place to start from.

    Because they’re so cheap they’re great for share houses (don’t even get me started on what I’ve had housemates do with my good knives despite all instructions otherwise…), for throwing into a bag if you’re travelling to cook somewhere that’s a bit of an unknown quantity (don’t get me started on turning up to help someone out with catering for a home function and the whole “Okay, so where’s your big knife?” “That is the big knife” discussion or the “Where’s your sharpener?” “…you mean like a pencil sharpener??” discussion [and yes, I have literally resorted to turning a ceramic bowl upside down to use the raw bottom edge as a makeshift whetstone out of sheer desperation/self-preservation before]) or as something to use as a placeholder until you’re ready to invest in something a bit nicer, especially if you’re in a country or a price bracket where you can’t get your hands on the brands suggested above. (A decent sized Kiwi knife in my country costs around $5 - about the same as a 600ml bottle of coke from a convenience store or a vending machine.)

    Honestly I think a lot of home cooks could probably settle on a Kiwi knife or maybe a couple of them and be very content with that. (I don’t have a clue if they do bread knives but I tend to make the bread varieties that have tough crusts so I have an expensive knife especially for this purpose - if you’re in a shithole country like mine and you want a bargain priced bread knife that punches well above its weight then all I can offer you is thoughts and prayers, and maybe checking if a nearby chain store “accepts” the five-finger discount I guess?)

    I’m willing to face the struggle session which I have brought down upon myself by posting this comment 😬

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    11 months ago

    Checking out the Restaurant Depot page it says nothing about consumers. To get the free membership it wants proof of running a non profit or food venue, and then you have to go in person. How does it work for consumers? Is there something on their page I missed?

    Edit: I guess you just go to the front desk and ask for a guest pass. It’s one time use, but seems like you can just go again later and ask for another guest pass.

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      7 days ago

      I use sleeves for individual knives and put them in a drawer, you can get them on amazon or ebay, just make you get the right sizes

      Magnetic strips are another popular option, but I don’t like them because the knives are exposed so you or any pets might accidentally cut yourself on them, also if you aren’t using each knife on the strip often, they will collect dust