Trump’s legal team also tried to throw cold water on the idea in a filing earlier this week, writing that the “events of January 6 were not an ‘insurrection’ as they did not involve an organized attempt to overthrow or resist the U.S. government.”

Trump disagrees, apparently.

“They kept saying about what I said right after the insurrection,” he said outside Mar-a-Lago after arguments concluded in Washington, D.C. “I think it was an insurrection caused by Nancy Pelosi.

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      That’s not my job. My job as a citizen is to vote for the candidate I believe deserves the position, regardless of party affiliation.

      The only reason Democrats and Republicans rose to the top is thay they once held the most generic, inoffensive views that people from the less popular “third” parties could support when it eventually became clear they didn’t have chance at winning. That’s no longer the case, so why continue voting like it is? Change has to start somewhere, and it sure as hell isn’t going to come from someone who benefits from maintaining the status quo.

      If everybody voted with hope and optimism rather than despair and cynicism, we might have more variety than blue dick vs red asshole.

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        I am curious… do you think that there is any realistic chance that someone other than the two main candidates will win the upcoming election?

        Wouldn’t you agree that this ‘change’ of being able to vote for a candidate who both deserves the position and also actually has a chance of winning, is not going to happen this year regardless of how you vote?

        Unless something major happens very soon, it’s going to be one or the other. Most voters are not happy with this reality, particularly Biden voters, but this is the reality we find ourselves in.

        I am happy to hear you express a desire to end the genocide and destruction of Palestine. A large portion of Biden voters agree with you on that point.

        Other than his age and his ‘soft on Israel’ position, I happen to think Biden has done a decent job. But let’s assume I am wrong and he has done a terrible job. Would he be worse than trump? Would trump be worse?

        Would you agree or disagree that, like it or not, we are in a ‘lesser of two evils’ situation?

        Here is your chance to prove that you are not just a troll. These are genuine question which I hope you will answer honestly, however you may truly feel.

        If you prefer trump, just say it, you have the right to your opinions. Pulling the ‘genocide Joe - vote third party’ card comes across as disingenuous, far-right propaganda.

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          Sorry, dude, but I don’t feel the need to prove I’m not a far-right provocateur simply because I acknowledge that Joe Biden and his administration are knowingly abetting an active genocide. I cannot in good conscience vote for him or anyone who supports Israel’s aggression. If I thought Trump would actually try to stop it, I’d vote for him, but I know he won’t, so no, I don’t prefer Trump.

          I’m normally not a single-issue voter, but there is an immediate risk of an entire culture being wiped out, and while I’m too poor to send any aid myself, if there’s even the tiniest chance that enough people are as done with the left/right, red/blue bullshit as I am to vote for someone who’ll actually try to help, I have to take that chance, infinitesimal though it may be.

          I’d rather live on the false hope of a better world than the false hope of a not-even-worse one. We’re all fucking fucked no matter what we do, so why not hope for the best and act accordingly? Maybe it’ll catch on.

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            I’d rather live on the false hope of a better world than the false hope of a not-even-worse one.

            This is not the choice you have, that’s my point.

            Your choices are false hope of a better world, or the reality of a not-even-worse one.

            One of the two will win, and one of the two is certainly worse.

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              I don’t really see much of a difference between the parties. You either get blatant evil in Republicans or concealed evil in Democrats. Either way, things will only get worse as long as we’re stuck in this two-party loop.

              I refuse to directly contribute to either of them, so my choices are to not vote or to vote third party. It’s not ideal, but my conscience remains clear.

              I suppose in the trolley problem, I choose secret answer C - throw my wrench on the tracks and hope the trolley derails without causing too much collateral damage.

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                  Maybe not for you. But it’s the best option I can see. And with the electoral college making the real decision, individual votes don’t really matter, especially in my state.

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                    If you want to throw your vote away, that’s fine. If that helps you sleep at night, fair enough. But going around telling people not to vote for Biden is essentially the same thing as telling people to vote for trump. I understand you wish that weren’t the case, you wish a 3rd party was a viable option, but that simply is not realistic for this upcoming election.

                    There are a lot of us out here who fear trump more than we dislike Biden… and if you think they are the same then you can’t see the forest through the trees.

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                There are 100 people on the trolley and you’ve just put all of them at risk.

                Plus if you don’t see much difference between those two, I can’t imagine the level of privilege you live with. I certainly doubt you’re trans for instance, or in a situation where you may need an abortion, if you’re saying that.

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                  You know the real privilege we all live with? Peace. Not being the targets of mass-murder campaigns.

                  So yes, I’d rather things get worse for a small part of our population for a short while if it means we can stop our government from actively funding a literal genocide.

                  And not that it’s any of your business, but I am trans (enby) and my partner and I fairly recently (post-2020) narrowly avoided needing an abortion.

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                    if it means we can stop our government from actively funding a literal genocide.

                    How exactly does this happen if Trump wins?