Don’t forget the right wing protesters who are preventing humanitarian aid to reach Gaza, which the Israeli government does very little about.
Seriously one would assume that since they are under investigation by the ICJ for committing of genocide in Gaza, Israeli authorities will be a little bit more concerned with their actions and public image, but they seem to act with impunity and believe they will get another pass by the western governments.
We sanctioned the shit out of Russia and did absolutely nothing here.
Russia is our enemy and Israel our ally and the US, especially the right wing, has been trying to delegitimize the UN for years, mostly so the corporations can keep selling weapons to both our own military as well as our allies. It’s not like the sanctions against Russia were ever going to stop the war. They were just designed to give Ukraine a chance to prolong it and sell more weapons to the American people to give to Ukraine. Russia wanted a quick war and that wouldn’t be good for business. With Israel, since they’re looking to keep the war going until there are no more Muslims, we don’t want anything to interfere with that.
Yeah, go ahead and tell the Israeli Police/Army, who are most likely also a first/second circle of people who got personally affected by the acts of October 7th to forcibly evacuate people who are heart broken by the fact that their relatives are in a terror tunnel in Gaza, and the country which they live in and is supposed to get them out are instead sending aid which has been proven to be stolen by the same terrorists who have their relatives.
When this absurd theater of life interacts with reality not everything is that simple to achieve.
Fuck those poor, helpless, blockaded, starving civilians that have been bombed from their homes, if we give them water/food/power/ceasefire it goes to Hamas
Your bitterness and hatred will just continue the cycle of violence. I hope you do better, but history has shown that we don’t. Look beyond yourself and your pain, and maybe ask why
Fuck those poor, helpless, blockaded, starving civilians that have been bombed from their homes, if we give them water/food/power/ceasefire it goes to Hamas
You replied to a commenter pointing out that a million plus civilians are starving to death, with “WHAT ABOUT THE ISRAELI POLICE???”
Everyone except the most hardcore anti-semites was completely horrified on Oct 7-9. Then the IDF began its bombing campaign, and here we are today, quibbling over which hospital is okay to blow up, or how much the Israelis should be allowed to starve the Gazan
Just like the Global War on Terror, the crimes done by America dominate the discussions and history- 9/11 and the civilian deaths is acknowledged as the casus belli but the overreaction is our legacy
No hospital was blown up in this conflict according to what I know, I’ll be happy if you show me evidence of that.
or how much the Israelis should be allowed to starve the Gazan
Nobody is allowing any such thing:
There are thousands of hostages relatives and friends who are understandably very distraught due to this all situation, and for them sitting, probably not even in their home since October 7th, and seeing the aid pouring into Gaza while their loved ones are rotting in some Hamas terror tunnel will understandably make them want to do something about it.
The police is obviously hesitant to use force on people in this situation, especially given they are most likely affected by the current fighting and understand that Hamas is stealing and abusing this aid to prolong the fighting.
The above is my explanation, not an endorsement for their actions.
I’m sure this matter will be resolved, if not already.
Israel is currently subject to an ICJ judgement to prevent harm to civilians in Gaza
Ignoring that, basic human decency demands that you take measures to help people
Especially if you are blockading that area, so only what you allow goes in
Doubly so if you do not make accommodation for those civilians’s safety or survival outside of the combat zones, but leave them locked in a tiny geographical area
The IDF have been severely limiting aid in not Gaza through all of the checkpoints. This is well documented
Israeli civilians are making their own blockades of the crossings, and the IDF is allowing them to block aid. This is also well documented
So what’s your solution, let’s leave all Palestinians die of hunger?
And again to reiterate, Hamas might have killed a bit less than 1000 civilians, but IDF has killed 20 times more. They are also responsible for the destruction of almost half the civilian infrastructure there, the destruction of civilian homes, agricultural land, mass starvation, has created dire humanitarian catastrophe, damaged hospitals, killed paramedics, kids, manage to turn this war the deadliest for journalists in modern history, committed numerous war crimes, are investigated by the ICJ for committing genocide, etc. and you still defend them?
Shall we also mention that you managed to frustrate greatly even your closest ally the US, who is getting more annoyed with you by the day and now you are planning to attack Rafah, where more than half of the population of Gaza is sheltering, pushing them more to the abyss of despair.
Hamas might have killed a bit less than 1000 civilians, but IDF has killed 20 times more
Notice how you know the exact civilian vs combatant numbers for the Israeli side but not for the Palestinians.
IDF claims a 7-9k dead combatants, so that’s an almost 2:1 ratio, which is unheard of especially in this dense urban fighting while Hamas tries to maximize civilian casualties.
They are also responsible for the destruction of almost half the civilian infrastructure there, the destruction of civilian homes, agricultural land, mass starvation, has created dire humanitarian catastrophe, damaged hospitals, killed paramedics, kids, manage to turn this war the deadliest for journalists in modern history, committed numerous war crimes
Yeah, all of that is on Hamas
and you still defend them?
Israel is the only side who had actually strived for peace over the years, that enthusiasm for peace has been tested to the extreme and unfortunately dwindled for obvious reasons, but even after the horrific events of October 7th you can still find voices calling for a two state solution. There was no such attempts for peace from the Palestinians, on the contrary - just more missiles and terror attacks for every attempt at a permanent settlement of the conflict.
So, yeah, of course I defend them.
Shall we also mention that you managed to frustrate greatly even your closest ally the US, who is getting more annoyed with you by the day and now you are planning to attack Rafah, where more than half of the population of Gaza is sheltering, pushing them more to the abyss of despair.
Hamas is an obstacle to peace and must be disabled, they can stop this war now if they wanted by releasing the man, woman, children and babies (!) they currently hold captive, and surrender.
If they don’t do that Israel had no other viable course of action to get rid of this threat, hopefully with as little civilian casualties as possible.
And these are indisputable FACTS.
Some facts, some unsubstantiated propaganda, some opinions
What from what I said is unsubstantiated propaganda?
Because these are all facts that can be easily confirmed with a simple google search from sources of Reuters, AP, etc.
Saying that all the civilian casualties, destroyed infrastructure, homes, hospitals, roads are Hamas fault is the most childish and one sided thing you can say.
I think arguing with you is a waste of time, as you seem to be extremely brainwashed.
they are giving interviews on TV… they are the same right wing leaders and groups that are always doing this bull shit in Israel most of them have no relation to the hostages.
A lot of the kibbutzes in the areas raided were home to much more left-leaning Israelis including peace activists… these are absolutely not the people stopping aid trucks.
Regarding your second point - it’s a military controlled area, if the military concludes that something is banned in that area due to its abuse by a terrorist group that’s the way it should be, especially given the history of weaponization of dual use materials by this group (https://youtu.be/MvvqBcA-9yA).
I agree. It sucks that they let terrorists excavate tunnels under their three cities and then use them to launch a mass shooting of civilians and first responders after decades of rocket attacks and suicide bombings, but they did. Probably should have violently overthrown Hamas instead of enabling it at all costs.
Don’t forget the right wing protesters who are preventing humanitarian aid to reach Gaza, which the Israeli government does very little about.
Seriously one would assume that since they are under investigation by the ICJ for committing of genocide in Gaza, Israeli authorities will be a little bit more concerned with their actions and public image, but they seem to act with impunity and believe they will get another pass by the western governments.
We sanctioned the shit out of Russia and did absolutely nothing here.
Russia is our enemy and Israel our ally and the US, especially the right wing, has been trying to delegitimize the UN for years, mostly so the corporations can keep selling weapons to both our own military as well as our allies. It’s not like the sanctions against Russia were ever going to stop the war. They were just designed to give Ukraine a chance to prolong it and sell more weapons to the American people to give to Ukraine. Russia wanted a quick war and that wouldn’t be good for business. With Israel, since they’re looking to keep the war going until there are no more Muslims, we don’t want anything to interfere with that.
FYI most protestors on the border are either family of current Hamas hostages or people who were dislocated due to the war.
And how is starving more than 2 Millions innocent, and mind you a big chunk of those are underage kids, helping their cause?
And Israel can easily prevent this, but they simply don’t care about Palestinians, who they are actively trying to dehumanize.
Yeah, go ahead and tell the Israeli Police/Army, who are most likely also a first/second circle of people who got personally affected by the acts of October 7th to forcibly evacuate people who are heart broken by the fact that their relatives are in a terror tunnel in Gaza, and the country which they live in and is supposed to get them out are instead sending aid which has been proven to be stolen by the same terrorists who have their relatives.
When this absurd theater of life interacts with reality not everything is that simple to achieve.
Your bitterness and hatred will just continue the cycle of violence. I hope you do better, but history has shown that we don’t. Look beyond yourself and your pain, and maybe ask why
Where did I say that, why do you misquoted me?
You replied to a commenter pointing out that a million plus civilians are starving to death, with “WHAT ABOUT THE ISRAELI POLICE???”
Everyone except the most hardcore anti-semites was completely horrified on Oct 7-9. Then the IDF began its bombing campaign, and here we are today, quibbling over which hospital is okay to blow up, or how much the Israelis should be allowed to starve the Gazan
Just like the Global War on Terror, the crimes done by America dominate the discussions and history- 9/11 and the civilian deaths is acknowledged as the casus belli but the overreaction is our legacy
No hospital was blown up in this conflict according to what I know, I’ll be happy if you show me evidence of that.
Nobody is allowing any such thing: There are thousands of hostages relatives and friends who are understandably very distraught due to this all situation, and for them sitting, probably not even in their home since October 7th, and seeing the aid pouring into Gaza while their loved ones are rotting in some Hamas terror tunnel will understandably make them want to do something about it. The police is obviously hesitant to use force on people in this situation, especially given they are most likely affected by the current fighting and understand that Hamas is stealing and abusing this aid to prolong the fighting.
The above is my explanation, not an endorsement for their actions. I’m sure this matter will be resolved, if not already.
The IDF have been severely limiting aid in not Gaza through all of the checkpoints. This is well documented
Israeli civilians are making their own blockades of the crossings, and the IDF is allowing them to block aid. This is also well documented
So you just proved how racism works. When the suffering of 100 Israelis > suffering of 2M + Palestinians.
That’s not racism, that’s just your interpretation of these events. All I did was to correct the commenter about the identity of those protesting.
I doubt you would do anything different if you would be in their shoes.
So what’s your solution, let’s leave all Palestinians die of hunger?
And again to reiterate, Hamas might have killed a bit less than 1000 civilians, but IDF has killed 20 times more. They are also responsible for the destruction of almost half the civilian infrastructure there, the destruction of civilian homes, agricultural land, mass starvation, has created dire humanitarian catastrophe, damaged hospitals, killed paramedics, kids, manage to turn this war the deadliest for journalists in modern history, committed numerous war crimes, are investigated by the ICJ for committing genocide, etc. and you still defend them?
Shall we also mention that you managed to frustrate greatly even your closest ally the US, who is getting more annoyed with you by the day and now you are planning to attack Rafah, where more than half of the population of Gaza is sheltering, pushing them more to the abyss of despair.
And these are indisputable FACTS.
“Journalists” https://x.com/AdinHaykin1/status/1756743721020690751?s=20
Notice how you know the exact civilian vs combatant numbers for the Israeli side but not for the Palestinians. IDF claims a 7-9k dead combatants, so that’s an almost 2:1 ratio, which is unheard of especially in this dense urban fighting while Hamas tries to maximize civilian casualties.
Yeah, all of that is on Hamas
Israel is the only side who had actually strived for peace over the years, that enthusiasm for peace has been tested to the extreme and unfortunately dwindled for obvious reasons, but even after the horrific events of October 7th you can still find voices calling for a two state solution. There was no such attempts for peace from the Palestinians, on the contrary - just more missiles and terror attacks for every attempt at a permanent settlement of the conflict. So, yeah, of course I defend them.
Hamas is an obstacle to peace and must be disabled, they can stop this war now if they wanted by releasing the man, woman, children and babies (!) they currently hold captive, and surrender. If they don’t do that Israel had no other viable course of action to get rid of this threat, hopefully with as little civilian casualties as possible.
Some facts, some unsubstantiated propaganda, some opinions
What from what I said is unsubstantiated propaganda?
Because these are all facts that can be easily confirmed with a simple google search from sources of Reuters, AP, etc.
Saying that all the civilian casualties, destroyed infrastructure, homes, hospitals, roads are Hamas fault is the most childish and one sided thing you can say.
I think arguing with you is a waste of time, as you seem to be extremely brainwashed.
they are giving interviews on TV… they are the same right wing leaders and groups that are always doing this bull shit in Israel most of them have no relation to the hostages.
A lot of the kibbutzes in the areas raided were home to much more left-leaning Israelis including peace activists… these are absolutely not the people stopping aid trucks.
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Dislocated and living in hotels, having access to food, clean water, healthcare.
Shall we talk about the dislocated Gazans who are living in makeshift tents, have no food, water, electricity or access to healthcare?
Or do you want to comment out on the fact that Israeli authorities are not permitting delivery of tent poles because those poles can be used as weapons? Imagine fighting tanks with tent poles… Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/civilians-or-hamas-dual-use-issue-complicates-gaza-aid-efforts-2024-01-05/
Isn’t it nice that a government takes care of its citizens?
The Gazans should complain to their elected government who not only failed to provide them security (see https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-official-mousa-abu-marzouk-tunnels-gaza-were-built-protect-hamas-fighters-not), but also is the root cause of their suffering.
Regarding your second point - it’s a military controlled area, if the military concludes that something is banned in that area due to its abuse by a terrorist group that’s the way it should be, especially given the history of weaponization of dual use materials by this group (https://youtu.be/MvvqBcA-9yA).
I agree. It sucks that they let terrorists excavate tunnels under their three cities and then use them to launch a mass shooting of civilians and first responders after decades of rocket attacks and suicide bombings, but they did. Probably should have violently overthrown Hamas instead of enabling it at all costs.