• yesman@lemmy.worldOP
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    9 months ago

    In a way, this is how property ownership works now. “Owning a home” is a license from the government. Obviously, you’re license will be revoked if you don’t pay taxes. Also if the government is overthrown, your deed won’t be worth much. (ask a Palestinian).

    I’ve always thought it was weird that a person could own land. This is a ridiculous idea from a geologic perspective. IDK if it’s real, but I’ve heard that Native Americans though that a person claiming ownership of the land was like a flea claiming ownership of the dog.

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      The government doesn’t set the price of lots or land, that’s determined by the seller. A deed will still be worth its value unless total lawless anarchy takes over. If the government is overthrown, the price of land is only effected by the stability of the currency.

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        I guess OP meant won’t be worth much as in „when your government is overthrown, the new government might just kick you out of your home and strip you of your land“ as the current government is actually the only party giving you the right to claim ownership of the land.

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          Homie forgot the purpose of all of this is so we don’t have to defend our territories like wild animals. Property ownsership akin to this has existed since Ur. Law and the ability to enforce it is what keeps this viable.

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        Ownership is a legal fiction that doesn’t exist outside government.

        Being able to occupy or defend something isn’t the same as owning either. A bear can defend it’s territory without property rights. A goose can shit in your front yard without an easement.

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      9 months ago

      If a dog gets overly-infested with fleas, with no intervention, the fleas will win.

      And such is the condition of the planet, overly-infested with capitalist-minded humans.

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      9 months ago

      Owning land is like owning your phone. If Apple controls it more than you, is it really yours? If the HOA has more say, who’s home is it?

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      Unless you live in a slightly more evolved country, where a simple ownership transfer is not enough to kick out the renters and you actually have rights. Here you need to prove that you either want to use it for yourself ( 2 years minimum, government checks up on that) or it is somehow damaged beyond repair.

      It’s rather common here that people get paid 10-100k euros just so they move out of an apartment ( this is per flat/apartment, so numbers can get huge for bigger buildings) and the owner can sell the empty old building to an investor/developer. Shows what insane profit margins are still to be had, if they make profits despite that.

      This usually happens with old and cheap buildings in now gentrified, suddenly fancy neighborhoods.

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    Don’t use 3rd party cloud services for home automation.

    Enshittification ensures the company will pull the rug on you some day.

    Learned that the hard way when my garage door opener stopped working.

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      9 months ago

      That’s rental though. This really does happen though, buying a leasehold but not the freehold is basically buying a licence to live in your house from the person who owns the land.

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    In Utah, you can be kicked out of your apartment with no advance notice, for no reason at all. Tenants have no rights here at all. In fact, it’s unlawful to attempt to contact a landlord over any kind of dispute. And, landlords can walk in and take furniture or jewelry or other property from tenants here, at will. Of course most of our legislators are landlords here, so it’s no surprise that all the laws favor them and punish tenants in every possibly way.

    Now with rent prices going through the roof here (in P.U. Tah of all places!) most renters are either leaving the state or becoming homeless people.

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      Not to say that those laws aren’t super shitty but: the difference is that you know you’re renting your apartment.

      It’s more like the federal government selling the territory your house is on to a different country, without arranging ownership rights.

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        Yeah I know it’s kind of tangential to the whole government selling the land your house is on thing - it just makes me more sympathetic coming from a state where they believe anything the fed government does is overreach, yet the state lawmakers keep selling off more and more of our national public lands to oil and gas interests. And where tenants are without any rights to fight back about anything.

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    Own assets. Ownership can feel stupid in a world failing, but if you have money, buy assets. Actual things.