cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/68752761 which was cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/64103917
I thought about saying “you know it’s a grift when they collect personal information and leak it.” According to their Bible, you don’t need an app to pray. They say church (or a covenant, I forget, it’s been 30+ years since I read the KJV) is when any two people come together to talk about Jesus (sorry!). So, where does an app fit in? And why does that app need your personally identifiable information (referred to as PII in industry). Wouldn’t an all-knowing God already have it?
But you don’t have to know it’s a grift… I feel like this is proof the Vatican (or whoever made this app on their behalf, and thus speak on their behalf… and the Pope allegedly speaks on God’s behalf) themselves know it’s a grift. Because why would they need your PII?
I know, fools and their money are soon parted… just saw this on /all and figured the Fediverse’s top Atheism comm should have it.
we do?
We do what? Have evidence for god and/or free will? We do not. Go ahead and provide your best, I will explain how it is fallacious or inaccurate.
Existence is evidence of existence, no creator implied. If you want to pretend everything requires a cause, then so does god, otherwise you’re falling for the special pleading fallacy.
The choices we make are a result of biological processes, not magic.
Who do you think designed those biological processes, Frater/Soror?
Why are you assuming they were designed at all? We evolved our brains and emotions this way because each child born is unique, different from both parents. Some of these changes enable longer lives, reproduction, more children. Those that don’t survive long enough to reproduce, their genes and behaviors do not get passed down. We were not designed to fit this world, and we are still evolving.
Seems like a good system, a really good one. I wonder who designed it…
Evolution is God’s way of creating us, and we are still evolving, yes, but the process of evolution wad created by God.
Stop stealing credit for natural processes, shitbag.
He designed us to get sick and die young despite doing nothing wrong? He designed the bad mutations because he loves it when we suffer?
Fuck you, death cultist. You are defending the indefensible.
https://catholicus.eu/en/the-theology-of-suffering-why-does-pain-have-a-meaning-in-gods-plan/
please read this
If god is all-powerful, he chose to make us suffer. There is no reason for that unless he is not loving or does not exist.
Special Pleading fallacies appear when you argue that something is different but it isnt.
And human beings rely on eachother and other components of an ecosystem, as we are not God, it is shown accurately that we do not exist of ourselves.
If one truly existed of himself, he would have no dependencies, that one is God.
God has no dependencies, he doesn’t need us or depend on us but he loves us.
Thus, to claim that God does not exist is to claim that what has need of all has need of nothing.
So, yes, special pleading. Your claim is that everyone (presumably everything ( requires a “dependency”… except god because he is special.
Grow up, your cult is killing us.
You don’t know what love is. Is god too weak to prevent cancer, or too cruel to care?
Nope. To claim god doesn’t exist is to accurately represent reality as we sense it.
It is not. Imagine a series of gears. One of them has to start spinning to start up the entire series. The gears cannot suddenly start spinning from nothing.
God is neither weak nor cruel. Just because we may not understand his plan for his does not make either true.
What do you mean “no”? You didn’t bring forth an argument at all?
False equivalence. The universe is not a series of gears, we do not understand it well enough to reduce it to such a rudimentary example.
He is both weak and cruel, according to the bible. Thwarted by chariots of iron. Regularly uses violence to solve problems of his own making, commands his followers to take young sex slaves after killing their families.
So you have no explanation for children’s cancer wards, yet you insist on worshipping the god you think is responsible for them. That’s really sick.
You keep making claims without evidence. There’s nothing for me to disprove. I’m trying to help you understand so you stop spreading deadly bullshit.
You said:
What need? This led us to the gears, a bad analogy to support your special pleading fallacy.
Causality can be interpreted as a series of gears. One thing is caused by the other.
Verses?
And the need is that of relying on other things to survive. If the sun disappeared, you would die, thus you depend on the sun. If all the arachnids and the sort died, the ecosystem would be rattled and we’d all die. We depend on other things to live. That is my evidence for this claim, as we can observe.
And to deny God’s existence is to claim that what requires all (the universe, it depends on a lot of factors to survive) requires nothing (Does not require God to exist).
This is a logical contradiction.
If you say so. But that would include god, in that case.
The honest answer: we don’t know. Probably not god, certainly not the christian god.
This is extremely reductive and unimaginative. What if we find a way to replace the light, warmth, vitamins etc we get from the sun? Heck, maybe we could even make a version that doesn’t give us cancer, one-upping your fictional god.
This says nothing about the origins of the universe. It wasn’t made for us, we evolved to survive.
No. Atheists are not making a claim. You are making a claim that god exists based on nothing but wishful thinking and a poor understanding of science. We deny that claim because there is no evidence to support it.
All you have is god of the gaps and special pleading. You have failed to convince me or anyone else with integrity that your god exists.
“poor understanding of science”
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The gears extending infinitely would be a Reductio Ad Absurdum, so one gear must be the start of it all.
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Definitely not within your lifespan, and definitely not fast enough if the sun actually disappeared.
I am making a claim by saying “X isnt real”
It is not a special pleading fallacy when we talk about God’s existence, as He exists through himself, and has all in himself.
But it is special pleading. Why can’t the universe itself be like that, no god needed?
Can you even define “god”?
Because then, you’d be trying to claim that what has need of all has need of nothing, a logical contradiction.
What need are you talking about?
You still haven’t answered how god solves this problem yet we can’t apply the same logic to existence itself. You are still using special pleading to assume a conclusion that is not supported by any evidence.
I described the need.
Please read the comments I made above.
And it is because that God is of a different nature than of his creation.
Are you talking about the gears analogy? Again, it’s a false equivalence. Wouldn’t god just be another gear, also in need of something to start it turning?
Ah. Special pleading. You see that’s exactly what it is, don’t you?
The universe doesn’t need a god, based on everything we know so far. You need a god because you are scared and selfish. You would rather outsource your thinking and morality no matter how many people it kills.
Fuck you for choosing death.