It’s incredible how many things have gone from “insane conspiracy theory” to “yes, declassified documents prove that the CIA actually did this”.
Makes me wonder what things they’re doing right now that might be declassified in a few decades… Makes me wonder what things they’ve done that were so fucked up that they still haven’t declassified them.
Yeah, people are like “But MKUltra was shut down and declassified!”
And not voluntarily, either. It’s not like the CIA willingly gave up on it – they only did that after it was discovered and there was widespread public outcry over it. Also, the CIA didn’t declassify it – the CIA destroyed most of the documents related to it, and Congress declassified (most of) what was left.
Given that the CIA was very much against shutting it down and declassifying it, I think it’s very likely that they replaced it with a similar new program that’s still running and still secret.
Yeah, I would be downright surprised if I somehow learned that they didn’t simply start a new program to take it’s place. Not that something like that could ever be proved. But I find it absurd that people pretend that’s some crackpot conspiracy theory.
It’s a funky cognitive dissonance in my head. On one hand, conspiracy theories are deliberately engineered for propaganda and distractions. On the other hand, everything surrounding Epstein makes Pizzagate look like a mundane theory in comparison, both oddly involving the Clinton’s.
It feels like damned if you do damned if you don’t. In a lot of cases Occam’s Razor is the only thing that makes a conspiracy obviously wrong, but reality is so strange that the simplest answer doesn’t cut it anymore.
My theory is that Epstein & Associates started QAnon and Pizzagate et al in order to make conspiracy theorists look crazy and desensitize people to allegations of high-ranking government officials and other influential or wealthy individuals doing shady and evil stuff.
Also, Occam’s Razors is a literal fallacy. Always has been. In formal logic they call it jumping to conclusions.
So this is a bit not picky, but Occam’s razor isn’t just about the simplest. It is if two hypotheses both equally explain a phenomenon you should choose the simplest. It also could be explained as choosing the explanation the requires the fewest assumptions. So it still allows for complexity in the hypotheses, but aims to reduce complexity when a simpler answer will suffice.
There’s this reporter, Ross Coulthart, started going off about aliens and UFOs and telepathy and weird shit recently. He is an award winning investigative reporter who got turned into an alien reporter.
Well I noticed one day he starts talking about the GATE program (gifted and talented education) and testing children for psionic ability… Then i remember my parents trying to get me to try out for GATE and taking me to some weird building where they gave me weird psychic tests…
I failed them, but it proved to me that life is way stranger than we give it credit for. Yes, there are secret government programs looking for telepathic children. I’ve seen proof. That’s probably just the tip of iceberg if so.
You’re assuming the test wouldn’t give any false positives (since mind readers don’t exist). False positives that would probably have profound long term negative effects on children forced to go through it.
going off about aliens and UFOs and telepathy and weird shit recently
Anybody going on about UFOs in the modern day loses me.
The real final nail in the coffin about UFOs is that after it became common for people to have cameras (phones) in their pocket at all times everywhere, reports of UFO sightings went significantly down, not up. In ye olden days (yes, I was there, 3000 years ago), people with a UFO sighting often had the excuse that they didn’t have a camera on them at the time, and that’s why they didn’t capture proof of it. Because most people didn’t carry a camera at all unless they specifically planned to go out and take pictures. In the modern day, though, “pics or it didn’t happen” is a more common sentiment, and reports of UFO sightings have gone way down.
If UFOs were real*, you’d expect to see a lot more reports and more evidence of them as quick and easy camera access became ubiquitous. People would be taking pictures and videos of them all the time! But the opposite has happened – having easy and available means to collect evidence has reduced the number of claims.
*Okay, in the strictest technical sense, UFOs are real. In the sense that people sometimes see flying objects that they can’t readily identify. But – especially in the modern day, with camera evidence – those tend to be pretty explainable by more knowledgeable people who can identify them, and the more evidence there is, the less likely it seems for them to be associated with any sort of extraterrestrial origin.
I dunno how true your claim is. I’ve seen a lot of UAP footage, as well as tons of claims from people in passing that they’ve seen something. Hell, my partner has a couple stories of her own.
I can’t speak on the legitimacy of the footage or claims (I tend to assume it’s bullshit, but I’ve an open mind), but I can say there was a period of time where I saw 10s of reports a week, oftentimes the same event being documented by different people from multiple angles. I’m assuming you must be referring to official reports or something, but unofficial reports are still reports, so…
Of course reports of UFO sightings would go down after everyone has smartphones - nobody spends time staring up at the sky anymore since they have their faces buried in a screen.
I was there in the beginning also and idk whete you get your facts frim but fuck right off. I suppose your god made us? Look at those stars in the sky if your able to. Tell me there’s nothing there. Do the math, so many weird shit with our planetary alignment, between Mars and Jupiter theres a debris field and math equation that goes with it. Take your government fbi or cia ass the fuck outta here. I wanna swing on every religious person to knock sense into. I’ve seen my birth my life, and my death. Its only weird when you start to remember previous life/lives or blink and you see this world in the ruins the carnage the world is heading too
First of all, I’m extremely non-religious, so you’re way off base there.
Look at those stars in the sky if your able to. Tell me there’s nothing there.
Oh, in all likelihood there is alien life out there among the stars. I’m not arguing about whether there’s aliens out there, I’m arguing about whether there are aliens right here. Which … I really really doubt.
Do the math, so many weird shit with our planetary alignment, between Mars and Jupiter theres a debris field and math equation that goes with it.
No idea what you’re on about here. Some kind of fine-tuning argument?
Of course there are math equations that describe the orbits of Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and everything else in the solar system. So what?
Take your government fbi or cia ass the fuck outta here.
Another swing and a miss, I’m afraid. I’m an anarchist.
I wanna swing on every religious person to knock sense into.
Go for it! I’ll cheer you on.
I’ve seen my birth my life, and my death. Its only weird when you start to remember previous life/lives or blink and you see this world in the ruins the carnage the world is heading too
Okay, and now you’re on some kind of reincarnation/non-linear time tangent?
I doubt mkultra was ever about individuals rather than mass mind control.
Also, why be afraid of an evolved version of mkultra when social media is brainwashing people into believing literally anything? Well, anything as long as it conforms to your personal biases. Social media companies have achieved what the CIA could never do.
It’s a funky cognitive dissonance in my head. On one hand, conspiracy theories are deliberately engineered for propaganda and distractions. On the other hand, everything surrounding Epstein makes Pizzagate look like a mundane theory in comparison, both oddly involving the Clinton’s.
It feels like damned if you do damned if you don’t. In a lot of cases Occam’s Razor is the only thing that makes a conspiracy obviously wrong, but reality is so strange that the simplest answer doesn’t cut it anymore.
It’s incredible how many things have gone from “insane conspiracy theory” to “yes, declassified documents prove that the CIA actually did this”.
Makes me wonder what things they’re doing right now that might be declassified in a few decades… Makes me wonder what things they’ve done that were so fucked up that they still haven’t declassified them.
Yeah, people are like “But MKUltra was shut down and declassified!”
Rrrriiiiigghhhttttt…
“But what about second MKUltra?”
“I don’t think he knows about second MKUltra…”
But mention that and they’ll be like “EvIdEnCe?!?!?!”
As if the CIA would be open and forthcoming with documentation proving that MKUltra has a successor program…
And not voluntarily, either. It’s not like the CIA willingly gave up on it – they only did that after it was discovered and there was widespread public outcry over it. Also, the CIA didn’t declassify it – the CIA destroyed most of the documents related to it, and Congress declassified (most of) what was left.
Given that the CIA was very much against shutting it down and declassifying it, I think it’s very likely that they replaced it with a similar new program that’s still running and still secret.
Yeah, I would be downright surprised if I somehow learned that they didn’t simply start a new program to take it’s place. Not that something like that could ever be proved. But I find it absurd that people pretend that’s some crackpot conspiracy theory.
It’s a funky cognitive dissonance in my head. On one hand, conspiracy theories are deliberately engineered for propaganda and distractions. On the other hand, everything surrounding Epstein makes Pizzagate look like a mundane theory in comparison, both oddly involving the Clinton’s.
It feels like damned if you do damned if you don’t. In a lot of cases Occam’s Razor is the only thing that makes a conspiracy obviously wrong, but reality is so strange that the simplest answer doesn’t cut it anymore.
My theory is that Epstein & Associates started QAnon and Pizzagate et al in order to make conspiracy theorists look crazy and desensitize people to allegations of high-ranking government officials and other influential or wealthy individuals doing shady and evil stuff.
Also, Occam’s Razors is a literal fallacy. Always has been. In formal logic they call it jumping to conclusions.
So this is a bit not picky, but Occam’s razor isn’t just about the simplest. It is if two hypotheses both equally explain a phenomenon you should choose the simplest. It also could be explained as choosing the explanation the requires the fewest assumptions. So it still allows for complexity in the hypotheses, but aims to reduce complexity when a simpler answer will suffice.
I regularly wonder how much of the dark sci-fi we’ve been cooking up over the years is just unaware documentary.
There’s this reporter, Ross Coulthart, started going off about aliens and UFOs and telepathy and weird shit recently. He is an award winning investigative reporter who got turned into an alien reporter.
Well I noticed one day he starts talking about the GATE program (gifted and talented education) and testing children for psionic ability… Then i remember my parents trying to get me to try out for GATE and taking me to some weird building where they gave me weird psychic tests…
I failed them, but it proved to me that life is way stranger than we give it credit for. Yes, there are secret government programs looking for telepathic children. I’ve seen proof. That’s probably just the tip of iceberg if so.
It honestly sounds like you dodged a bullet there
If he had passed the test, he wouldn’t need to dodge bullets.
I wonder if they had anyone who knew actual details stay the fuck away from those tests just in case they got a mind reader in there.
You’re assuming the test wouldn’t give any false positives (since mind readers don’t exist). False positives that would probably have profound long term negative effects on children forced to go through it.
Anybody going on about UFOs in the modern day loses me.
The real final nail in the coffin about UFOs is that after it became common for people to have cameras (phones) in their pocket at all times everywhere, reports of UFO sightings went significantly down, not up. In ye olden days (yes, I was there, 3000 years ago), people with a UFO sighting often had the excuse that they didn’t have a camera on them at the time, and that’s why they didn’t capture proof of it. Because most people didn’t carry a camera at all unless they specifically planned to go out and take pictures. In the modern day, though, “pics or it didn’t happen” is a more common sentiment, and reports of UFO sightings have gone way down.
If UFOs were real*, you’d expect to see a lot more reports and more evidence of them as quick and easy camera access became ubiquitous. People would be taking pictures and videos of them all the time! But the opposite has happened – having easy and available means to collect evidence has reduced the number of claims.
*Okay, in the strictest technical sense, UFOs are real. In the sense that people sometimes see flying objects that they can’t readily identify. But – especially in the modern day, with camera evidence – those tend to be pretty explainable by more knowledgeable people who can identify them, and the more evidence there is, the less likely it seems for them to be associated with any sort of extraterrestrial origin.
I dunno how true your claim is. I’ve seen a lot of UAP footage, as well as tons of claims from people in passing that they’ve seen something. Hell, my partner has a couple stories of her own.
I can’t speak on the legitimacy of the footage or claims (I tend to assume it’s bullshit, but I’ve an open mind), but I can say there was a period of time where I saw 10s of reports a week, oftentimes the same event being documented by different people from multiple angles. I’m assuming you must be referring to official reports or something, but unofficial reports are still reports, so…
Of course reports of UFO sightings would go down after everyone has smartphones - nobody spends time staring up at the sky anymore since they have their faces buried in a screen.
I was there in the beginning also and idk whete you get your facts frim but fuck right off. I suppose your god made us? Look at those stars in the sky if your able to. Tell me there’s nothing there. Do the math, so many weird shit with our planetary alignment, between Mars and Jupiter theres a debris field and math equation that goes with it. Take your government fbi or cia ass the fuck outta here. I wanna swing on every religious person to knock sense into. I’ve seen my birth my life, and my death. Its only weird when you start to remember previous life/lives or blink and you see this world in the ruins the carnage the world is heading too
Okay, lol.
First of all, I’m extremely non-religious, so you’re way off base there.
Oh, in all likelihood there is alien life out there among the stars. I’m not arguing about whether there’s aliens out there, I’m arguing about whether there are aliens right here. Which … I really really doubt.
No idea what you’re on about here. Some kind of fine-tuning argument?
Of course there are math equations that describe the orbits of Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and everything else in the solar system. So what?
Another swing and a miss, I’m afraid. I’m an anarchist.
Go for it! I’ll cheer you on.
Okay, and now you’re on some kind of reincarnation/non-linear time tangent?
Sure, yeah, absolutely. Plausible deniability.
Most of it is probably about mass surveillance and their propaganda machine.
I wonder if they have an evolved version of mkultra, maybe testing it right now on Maduro.
I doubt mkultra was ever about individuals rather than mass mind control.
Also, why be afraid of an evolved version of mkultra when social media is brainwashing people into believing literally anything? Well, anything as long as it conforms to your personal biases. Social media companies have achieved what the CIA could never do.
If you tell people about declassified CIA ops they will often call you a conspiracy theorist.
Like, no theory needed lad, this is official documentation.
Can you please give an example
Sure: MK Ultra
Not mechanical keyboard related :(
It’s a funky cognitive dissonance in my head. On one hand, conspiracy theories are deliberately engineered for propaganda and distractions. On the other hand, everything surrounding Epstein makes Pizzagate look like a mundane theory in comparison, both oddly involving the Clinton’s.
It feels like damned if you do damned if you don’t. In a lot of cases Occam’s Razor is the only thing that makes a conspiracy obviously wrong, but reality is so strange that the simplest answer doesn’t cut it anymore.