I think he might, but one way or another, it’s irrelevant. That’s the narrative he’s selling and pushing for. The consequences of that narrative are real regardless of his beliefs.
Upvoted but you really should take them at face value on the revelations talk. They’re not fucking joking.
edit: JD might be lying (IMO he’s not) but his audience believe it 100% and they’re being stoked towards violence at the institutional level https://streamable.com/2yj2tj (Link valid until 41 hours after this post. Download and share plz)
When I say take them at face value, it’s cuz we’re talking about people who literally believe God will call them to genocide you. IYKYK
You are 100% correct these people mean what they say.
They will smile at you as they say it and act friendly. But don’t think they won’t sacrifice or enslave you and anyone else who isn’t “them” if they could get away with it and increase their power.
He’s not talking about what he believes, he’s a nihilist. He’s saying what would have to be true to justify what he plans to do. Rolling coal, probably do some nuclear sabre rattling, do some ethnic cleansing sort of thing, you know.
He’s not talking about what he believes, he’s a nihilist
Respectfully disagree based on my personal experience being raised in a church that was very focused on revelations. IMO you’d have to grow up believing it yourself to understand.
He’s saying what would have to be true to justify what he plans to do.
Yea their logic is circular but I promise you they fucking believe this shit.
Barring specific evidence to the contrary, both Occam & Halon’s razers apply here. It is both a simpler explanation that he believes the scriptures in his religion AND there is no malice required for stupidity to explain what he’s saying.
I’m not saying JD is above lying to his followers and faking faith. But I am saying that I don’t think he’s smart enough to do that and he’s probably 100% serious.
This revelations talk is conditioning them towards violence.
Not someone who grew up in one of those churches, but please don’t sleep on the previous person’s comment. Whether or not couch fucker believes what he says, there are more than enough idiots in their inner circle that do believe it (or are at least willing to go with it for the power) for that not to matter. And even side stepping on whether or not the people in the inner circle believe it, a fuck ton of stupid americans in bumblefuck USA absolutely do and are more than willing to partake in violence and justify it with religion or end times rhetoric, and will likely support them while they violate every maxim of christianity.
And just to tie in a very large media story, the Nat-Cs believe that the end times will come when the jews finally have their homeland back. So support for Israel can be drummed up in bumblefuck USA by tying this to the bible and making people thing that supporting Israel in their genocide is something akin to a crusade and something that god wants them to do.
And friend, if you don’t think they can control how a large swath of stupid christians think, look into what they thought of abortion back in the 50s and 60s, and how quickly sentiment turned when the right turned abortion into their culture war wedge issue.
If you think I’m sleeping on anything, I haven’t explained my position clearly. I will try: I studied psychology and I understand how dark triad personalities interact with authoritarian followers, and I saw the present dangers well enough to leave the country half a decade ago. Yes while Biden was still in office, yes during a pandemic with a toddler in tow. I saw all of this coming. Escape if you can, I don’t know when the story ends but it isn’t a happy ending. I know how they tick, and I know the history of how we got to this point. Quick math, shit is fucked. The empire is fucked, and maybe it could have been saved in a thousand small ways over hundreds of years, but it wasn’t and here we are.
My only point originally was that Vance is, in my opinion, not a true believer. Just like Trump, whose only belief is that “I am the shit”; I don’t think Vance even believes that, I think he’s a cynical lowlife fuck who will say anything to get what he wants because he used to be poor and now all he wants is to feel powerful and safe no matter who it hurts. Probably his wife is cut from the same cloth, on paper she looks smarter than him but probably compromised to feel safe. He could have had an ounce of class consciousness, empathy, or personal integrity, but instead he just sucks a fat shit every chance he gets. He’s spent his entire tenure as VP being Trump’s heel, looking bad whenever Trump needs someone to pull aggro. Vance thinks he can play Wormtongue and wait for his chance to wield power. Dude was an atheist (when honesty cost him nothing) and hell, he might be the only motherfucker who converted to Catholicism in all of 2019. I’ve got his number, Vance is no true believer, he is a poseur down to his core.
His followers mostly are true believers, sure. Of course. If Trump told them the sky was communist, they’d say “how high?”. They’re idiots, or in academic language “authoritarian follower-type personalities”. They compartmentalise their beliefs, exhibit relatively low logic and memory with regard to how badly their beliefs work as predictive models, and they avoid introspection like the plague (if MAGA cultists could be relied upon to avoid plagues, that is). They live to be told who the enemy is, how the enemy are not as human, and they delight to hear how badly the enemy is suffering whether it is true or not. That’s all they really care about is to be told “the bad guys are dying and they suck, yay!”
I see the danger, and I see them in high resolution clarity. I don’t even know what the newest absurdly beyond-human-perception screen format is called these days, but it’s that.
Absolutely. I think his personal beliefs are not the dangerous part here. Its the beliefs of his cristo-fascist followers he’s tapping into that worry me.
I’m not saying JD is above lying to his followers and faking faith. But I am saying that I don’t think he’s smart enough to do that and he’s probably 100% serious.
And I pointed out that being a Yale Law graduate and was brought into the fold by Peter Thiel himself.
So my point, to refute your original one: JD Vance is a liar who does not believe this crap. Regardless of what others believe. That is the whole of my argument.
Like I’m not moving the goalposts here, but JD believing what he’s saying is irrelevant. He’s using coded language that is well understood in Christian circles. https://streamable.com/2yj2tj (Link valid until 41 hours after this post. Download and share plz)
My real point, as someone raised in those circles, is that you should really fucking believe them when they tell you who they are.
Long story short, a perfect red heifer is needed to purify clergy in order for the 3rd temple to be consecrated. The only problem is that there’s kinda an important mosque sitting where that temple would be.
Let’s not pretend he believes anything he says.
I think he might, but one way or another, it’s irrelevant. That’s the narrative he’s selling and pushing for. The consequences of that narrative are real regardless of his beliefs.
He went from atheist to Catholic in like 2019.
Upvoted but you really should take them at face value on the revelations talk. They’re not fucking joking.
edit: JD might be lying (IMO he’s not) but his audience believe it 100% and they’re being stoked towards violence at the institutional level https://streamable.com/2yj2tj (Link valid until 41 hours after this post. Download and share plz)
When I say take them at face value, it’s cuz we’re talking about people who literally believe God will call them to genocide you. IYKYK
You are 100% correct these people mean what they say.
They will smile at you as they say it and act friendly. But don’t think they won’t sacrifice or enslave you and anyone else who isn’t “them” if they could get away with it and increase their power.
He’s not talking about what he believes, he’s a nihilist. He’s saying what would have to be true to justify what he plans to do. Rolling coal, probably do some nuclear sabre rattling, do some ethnic cleansing sort of thing, you know.
Respectfully disagree based on my personal experience being raised in a church that was very focused on revelations. IMO you’d have to grow up believing it yourself to understand.
Yea their logic is circular but I promise you they fucking believe this shit.
Barring specific evidence to the contrary, both Occam & Halon’s razers apply here. It is both a simpler explanation that he believes the scriptures in his religion AND there is no malice required for stupidity to explain what he’s saying.
I’m not saying JD is above lying to his followers and faking faith. But I am saying that I don’t think he’s smart enough to do that and he’s probably 100% serious.
This revelations talk is conditioning them towards violence.
https://streamable.com/2yj2tj
I can respectfully disagree on that, I doubt we disagree on how dangerous he is.
Not someone who grew up in one of those churches, but please don’t sleep on the previous person’s comment. Whether or not couch fucker believes what he says, there are more than enough idiots in their inner circle that do believe it (or are at least willing to go with it for the power) for that not to matter. And even side stepping on whether or not the people in the inner circle believe it, a fuck ton of stupid americans in bumblefuck USA absolutely do and are more than willing to partake in violence and justify it with religion or end times rhetoric, and will likely support them while they violate every maxim of christianity.
And just to tie in a very large media story, the Nat-Cs believe that the end times will come when the jews finally have their homeland back. So support for Israel can be drummed up in bumblefuck USA by tying this to the bible and making people thing that supporting Israel in their genocide is something akin to a crusade and something that god wants them to do.
And friend, if you don’t think they can control how a large swath of stupid christians think, look into what they thought of abortion back in the 50s and 60s, and how quickly sentiment turned when the right turned abortion into their culture war wedge issue.
If you think I’m sleeping on anything, I haven’t explained my position clearly. I will try: I studied psychology and I understand how dark triad personalities interact with authoritarian followers, and I saw the present dangers well enough to leave the country half a decade ago. Yes while Biden was still in office, yes during a pandemic with a toddler in tow. I saw all of this coming. Escape if you can, I don’t know when the story ends but it isn’t a happy ending. I know how they tick, and I know the history of how we got to this point. Quick math, shit is fucked. The empire is fucked, and maybe it could have been saved in a thousand small ways over hundreds of years, but it wasn’t and here we are.
My only point originally was that Vance is, in my opinion, not a true believer. Just like Trump, whose only belief is that “I am the shit”; I don’t think Vance even believes that, I think he’s a cynical lowlife fuck who will say anything to get what he wants because he used to be poor and now all he wants is to feel powerful and safe no matter who it hurts. Probably his wife is cut from the same cloth, on paper she looks smarter than him but probably compromised to feel safe. He could have had an ounce of class consciousness, empathy, or personal integrity, but instead he just sucks a fat shit every chance he gets. He’s spent his entire tenure as VP being Trump’s heel, looking bad whenever Trump needs someone to pull aggro. Vance thinks he can play Wormtongue and wait for his chance to wield power. Dude was an atheist (when honesty cost him nothing) and hell, he might be the only motherfucker who converted to Catholicism in all of 2019. I’ve got his number, Vance is no true believer, he is a poseur down to his core.
His followers mostly are true believers, sure. Of course. If Trump told them the sky was communist, they’d say “how high?”. They’re idiots, or in academic language “authoritarian follower-type personalities”. They compartmentalise their beliefs, exhibit relatively low logic and memory with regard to how badly their beliefs work as predictive models, and they avoid introspection like the plague (if MAGA cultists could be relied upon to avoid plagues, that is). They live to be told who the enemy is, how the enemy are not as human, and they delight to hear how badly the enemy is suffering whether it is true or not. That’s all they really care about is to be told “the bad guys are dying and they suck, yay!”
I see the danger, and I see them in high resolution clarity. I don’t even know what the newest absurdly beyond-human-perception screen format is called these days, but it’s that.
Absolutely. I think his personal beliefs are not the dangerous part here. Its the beliefs of his cristo-fascist followers he’s tapping into that worry me.
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you weren’t brought up by Peter Thiel, and probably didn’t go to Yale Law (no offense intended, most of us didn’t)
Neither were the thousands to millions of christo-fascists currently being stoked toward violence. https://streamable.com/2yj2tj
JD believing what he’s saying is irrelevant when his audience believes it. He uses coded language that has charged meanings in Christian circles.
EoD smart americans should not assume dumb americans don’t believe that crap. Cuz they do.
Of course, but that wasn’t the point.
The point in question was that JD Vance very likely does not believe this bullshit, irrespective of what his followers believe or do
But what is your point? You’ve contributed nothing to this conversation. I find your comments vapid and annoying.
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And I pointed out that being a Yale Law graduate and was brought into the fold by Peter Thiel himself.
So my point, to refute your original one: JD Vance is a liar who does not believe this crap. Regardless of what others believe. That is the whole of my argument.
The personal attacks are not necessary.
Well yeah but no
Fundamentalist Christian extremists will happily burn the world to a crisp tpnget their imaginary Christ to come down
These people are terrorists and they’re your government. Great job, USA
Exactly. Vance says whatever he thinks will make him more popular. Always has, always will.
Like I’m not moving the goalposts here, but JD believing what he’s saying is irrelevant. He’s using coded language that is well understood in Christian circles. https://streamable.com/2yj2tj (Link valid until 41 hours after this post. Download and share plz)
My real point, as someone raised in those circles, is that you should really fucking believe them when they tell you who they are.
And they’re also talking with a lot of people in Israel who really believe in that language too. Texas ain’t sending red heifers to Israel for beef.
I’m almost afraid to ask but what new hell is this?
Long story short, a perfect red heifer is needed to purify clergy in order for the 3rd temple to be consecrated. The only problem is that there’s kinda an important mosque sitting where that temple would be.
Mike Johnson also all tied up in this.
boy they really get into the apoca-fan-fic…
and of course Johnson is wrapped up in it, he’s dumber than a box of rocks.
thanks for the deets
So let’s say there was a huge crater there… That would stop this madness, right? /s