Methodology: WE EXAMINED EXISTING, publicly available research on forced labor in Xinjiang, particularly the work of Adrian Zenz.
So they didn’t go there. They read other sources. And they particularly call out Zenz, who ALSO did not go there, but instead made up numbers based on things like how productive cotton farms were. Zenz, the right-wing German Christian nationalist, has never been to China but thinks he can prove there’s slavery there by looking at vocational training programs, purchase orders and contracts, and government requisitions. If we’re going to accept a DC think-tank using a biased German hack is good evidence, then here’s the Global Times responding to Zenz’s work.
We also conducted interviews with a number of detainees who were forced to work or their family members.
So a DC think-tank for “strategic” studies claims to have talked to a few people
We used publicly available information in English and Mandarin to locate a number of factories suspected of using forced labor or being involved in the government’s “reeducation” efforts and examined satellite imagery of them.
Good research methodology for identifying slave labor, don’t you think?
Oh looks it’s Adrian Zenz again. In fact, Zenz is cited 7 times. And then there’s other citations like this article from the BBC and wouldn’t you know it, they cite Zenz too!
It’s almost like EVERY report, from the UN to the BBC to the US think tanks all rely on a SINGLE RESEARCHER WHO HAS NEVER PHYSICALLY BEEN TO CHINA TO INVESTIGATE THE TOPIC.
I’ve been down this road before. There’s no actual documented evidence of a slave labor program in Xinjiang. The entire case relies on satellite imagery, hearsay, specious conjecture based on productivity easily explained by compensated work, and the existence and functioning of a national security program that China is explicit about - they are not hiding the fact that they are conducting a national security program in Xinjiang driven by a massive spike in terrorist attacks in the region between 2009 and 2014. Since the implementation of the national security program, terrorist attacks in the region have dropped to zero.
Now, China is acting on the basis that the West has been supporting and developing this terrorist threat within Xinjiang to destabilize China. That sounds crazy right? Except the US did exactly that in another major autonomous region in China: Tibet. Not only did the US declassify information that showed it did this, but the Dalai Lama’s brother, Gyalo Thondup, wrote about in his memoirs - he provided direct confirmation of CIA training terrorists and airdropping them, with weapons and money, into Tibet to attack civilians there.
So what we have is a human rights community in the West that claims they are confident there’s slave labor happening in Xinjiang when what they have is mostly speculation, and their strongest evidence is the existence of a counter-terrorism program that is responding to actual terrorism that looks exactly like terrorism the USA has openly admitted to conducting against China in order to destabilize China.
I’m sorry. I just don’t buy the Western narrative. It’s just so obviously contrived.
Meanwhile, the US openly has a slave labor rate of 235/100k residents. Openly. Bill and Hillary Clinton had black house slaves in the Arkansas Governor’s Mansion, because that’s just the way it is.
So to recap we have open slavery in the largest criminal justice system in the world in the world’s beacon of Liberalism, and then we have unconfirmed speculation about slave labor in the midst of a successful counter-terrorism program that is more than likely (given historical evidence) working against US interests in the region.
I don’t know. I think maybe you should keep your Liberalism to yourself and your slaves.
Whatever dude. I don’t care to convince you of a reality you’re clearly running around Lemmy trying to sell. China has a history of sweat shops, labor abuse, overseas policing to keep their citizens in check, heavy monitoring of their citizen’s everyday lives and a strict adherence to do what they’re told. Everything but slave labor. Sure. 🙄
Oh, you’re one of those.
WalkFree.org says “evidence of forced labor […] has emerged”. Well, let’s go through the evidence.
What does this document say?
So they didn’t go there. They read other sources. And they particularly call out Zenz, who ALSO did not go there, but instead made up numbers based on things like how productive cotton farms were. Zenz, the right-wing German Christian nationalist, has never been to China but thinks he can prove there’s slavery there by looking at vocational training programs, purchase orders and contracts, and government requisitions. If we’re going to accept a DC think-tank using a biased German hack is good evidence, then here’s the Global Times responding to Zenz’s work.
So a DC think-tank for “strategic” studies claims to have talked to a few people
Good research methodology for identifying slave labor, don’t you think?
But that’s just the first source. The second source is IN BROAD DAYLIGHT Uyghur Forced Labour and Global Solar Supply Chains. Who’s their first source?
Oh looks it’s Adrian Zenz again. In fact, Zenz is cited 7 times. And then there’s other citations like this article from the BBC and wouldn’t you know it, they cite Zenz too!
It’s almost like EVERY report, from the UN to the BBC to the US think tanks all rely on a SINGLE RESEARCHER WHO HAS NEVER PHYSICALLY BEEN TO CHINA TO INVESTIGATE THE TOPIC.
I’ve been down this road before. There’s no actual documented evidence of a slave labor program in Xinjiang. The entire case relies on satellite imagery, hearsay, specious conjecture based on productivity easily explained by compensated work, and the existence and functioning of a national security program that China is explicit about - they are not hiding the fact that they are conducting a national security program in Xinjiang driven by a massive spike in terrorist attacks in the region between 2009 and 2014. Since the implementation of the national security program, terrorist attacks in the region have dropped to zero.
Now, China is acting on the basis that the West has been supporting and developing this terrorist threat within Xinjiang to destabilize China. That sounds crazy right? Except the US did exactly that in another major autonomous region in China: Tibet. Not only did the US declassify information that showed it did this, but the Dalai Lama’s brother, Gyalo Thondup, wrote about in his memoirs - he provided direct confirmation of CIA training terrorists and airdropping them, with weapons and money, into Tibet to attack civilians there.
So what we have is a human rights community in the West that claims they are confident there’s slave labor happening in Xinjiang when what they have is mostly speculation, and their strongest evidence is the existence of a counter-terrorism program that is responding to actual terrorism that looks exactly like terrorism the USA has openly admitted to conducting against China in order to destabilize China.
I’m sorry. I just don’t buy the Western narrative. It’s just so obviously contrived.
Meanwhile, the US openly has a slave labor rate of 235/100k residents. Openly. Bill and Hillary Clinton had black house slaves in the Arkansas Governor’s Mansion, because that’s just the way it is.
So to recap we have open slavery in the largest criminal justice system in the world in the world’s beacon of Liberalism, and then we have unconfirmed speculation about slave labor in the midst of a successful counter-terrorism program that is more than likely (given historical evidence) working against US interests in the region.
I don’t know. I think maybe you should keep your Liberalism to yourself and your slaves.
“cHiNa doEsN’T dO fOrCeD LabOr!!!”
Whatever dude. I don’t care to convince you of a reality you’re clearly running around Lemmy trying to sell. China has a history of sweat shops, labor abuse, overseas policing to keep their citizens in check, heavy monitoring of their citizen’s everyday lives and a strict adherence to do what they’re told. Everything but slave labor. Sure. 🙄
Big loser energy from a big cry baby.