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In Germany, it will absolutely depend on where you try this. Bigger cities? Yeah, likely. Countryside? You’re lucky if you find someone speaking understandable German, let alone English.
That’s because no one speaks actual German (the way it is written), everyone speaks their local variety
I guess that’s kind of similar to English then? At least UK English
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Jazogtsmahamsadirainshirnaschizn!?
Wordema, das muss’schma erstema üborsetzn
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Ich habe viele Deutsche kennengelernt die dachten sie sprächen Hochdeutsch, bis ich sie auf ihren Dialekt und nicht gerade optimale Artikulation aufmerksam machte.
Nun, in dem Fall haben die tatsächlich Hochdeutsch gesprochen, wenn auch kein astreines. Aber wenn die tatsächlich Dialekt gesprochen hätten, hätten sies gewusst und du sehr wahrscheinlich nicjts verstanden
is this actually a word or are you making a joke ?
It’s phonetic writing of a heavy accent and it’s several words without spaces in between to emphasis the slangyness.
Translates to: “Say what? They must have shit in your brain.”
Appreciate the explanation !
Swede here. We all speak English. Heck - my kids use English whenever they’re speaking about games or Youtube anyway.
Come to think of it. We should just drop Swedish altogether.
The last time I went to Systembolaget I said “hej” to the cashier who replied “you’re from Finland aren’t you?”
Last time I went to Systembolaget they refused to sell anything to me because of my obviously Finnish accent. Luckily the nearby ICA had no problem in selling me some folköl. My Swedish is passable, it is just obviously from wrong country.
they refused to sell anything to me because of my obviously Finnish accent
Skitsnack, you’re just joking or they thought you were drunk.
I was sober, on my way to Åre - buy some beer, buy some groceries from nearby store. Just to get by for a week of off piste.
It’s just the casual Swedish racism.
So what reason did they say to you when you went to the checkout with your drinks?
As I understood my Swedish was so off that they couldn’t trust my Finnish passport or driving licence to be trustworthy. They claimed they could not verify my age.
I was in over 40 in this exchange.
Did they think the majority of Finns who go through Pakkoruotsi remember anything more than “jag heter homopeter”? 😂 Still seems weird, Systembolaget has always accepted my US driver’s license (this was additionally before “real ID”; it basically was like McLovin’s fake ID), despite the fact that they’re not supposed to accept anything other than a passport for people from outside of the EU. And I looked young then, barely 20 years old.
I would have fought them harder instead of taking folköl instead. Regardless, sorry that happened to you, Finns are our brödrafolk, and it’s a shame if the cashier forgot that.
A Finn wouldn’t pay 100 billion trillion for a light beer at Systembolaget, he’d bring his own for cheap when crossing the border
Cheap Finnish alcohol? You mean Estonian bought beer, right?
I mean, cheaper than Swedish alcohol
Why do you hate yourself and your country’s language?
Isnt rinkebysvenska swedish turning into a mix of english, turkish, arabic and serb? Tbh im really interested in what will happen to the swedish language in the future. Will they just switch to english or will it slowly turn into a mix like rinkeby? Idk but its interesting to see the lamguage develop. In hungary the state regulates the language so much that we dont really see any development.
As a Belgian, I’m a bit annoyed with the lack of Dutch/French distinction, but at least they mentioned that on the side
How should I feel? We have four languages ffs
(Switzerland)
The thing with France is that their reaction is the same if you don’t speak French either.
As a german I can say this seems legit. I’d rather speak english to a non-native speaker than german, because most of the time it is hard to follow their speaking due to their faults in pronounciation and grammatics. Well, except when they speak german good (at least A2 or higher) or need it for their training.
Do you think this is because English is a more flexible language or simply because Germans are more exposed to English culturally?
I think a bit of both. English is definitely more flexible in terms of understandability as a second language for non-native english speakers. You can learn it relatively easy, unlike german (if you are not raised by german speaking folks). In the past we had a few TV programs that came unlocalized in german TV (Jackass, Beavis & Butthead, Celebrity Deathmatch). This exposed many of the younger people to english. The school system picked up english to the curriculum already in 1964. Back in my day (late 90s) we learned english since the 5th grade, today it seems to be third year primary school. Everyone learns english here, but too many people don’t bother anymore after school and practically unlearn it.
That’s really interesting. I’ve noticed quite a few German creators on YouTube and similar recently, there’s a much bigger market for english language videos so it makes sense they’d target it. I wonder how this will affect language learning, likewise the other way around with so many viral videos being in English.
As a Russian, I agree. Like okay, man, you have challenged yourself to the level when you easily construct sentences in accusative case, but why? To read Bakunin or understand Letov’s metaphors?
Foreigners who learn Russian out of curiosity are true madlads.
I took Russian in 6th-8th grade and switched to Spanish the second I could. It’s a cool language but it’s so hard. The only thing I remember are a couple common words and a weird poem about killing a fly with a gun. I don’t even know if it was a real poem or if my teacher was a lunatic.
Definitely a lunatic 😂
Я учусь русскии язык.
Уже могу сказать “путин иди на хуй”
Ещё только 50 лет больше и я могу понимать родителный падеж. Навернае.
Your Russian is decent but why tf you are spending your life on that
I’m not the same guy you’re responding to.
- Russian language sounds awesome
- Many talented Counter Strike players from Russia that I need to communicate with in games
- Russian language lands in the top 10 of most spoken languages
Point #3 is not the strongest but it is the reason why I have an interest in learning Mandarin (although I have NEVER started the process)
Russian language lands in the top 10 of most spoken languages
It doesn’t necessarily mean that Russian/Mandarin will be in the top 10 among people you meet
Muzhik, you have/had some of the most intriguing artists, literates and scientists in the world and your language is unbeliavably esoteric for a foreigner. That’s reason enough!
It’s actually quite close to other European languages. It just seems more different than it is because it’s written in Cyrillic. Which is also surprisingly close to Latin once you learn to read it.
I’ve dabbled a bit in learning Persian, and I’ve got the same impression.
That’s nice.
It also has a tonne of French and German loan words, much more than anyone would expect, and since I speak those languages it makes Russian a lot easier
i kind of want to, i had no idea it was that hard?
I’m native Russian speaker and I often reflect on what I’m saying and how I say things. This is very counter-intuitive.
Do you know the joke that ‘flammable’ and ‘inflammable’ mean almost the same things? Guess what, in Russian I can give you a dozen of such pairs, some of them are essential in a casual conversation.
Basic Russian ain’t hard, and it’s easy to get yourself understood. Some are scared by Cyrillic letters, but that’s essentially a fusion of Latin and Greek, and there’s nothing special about it - it’s not hieroglyphics or something. Many, if not most, letters are same as in Latin scripture. Some are a catch though, and designate entirely different sounds - like “c” letter actually meaning “s”, “B” actually meaning “V” etc.
Advanced Russian is a bloody meat grinder. Grammar is such a pain in the ass locals struggle with it, and there’s a LOT of synonymic words to learn if you expect to be fluent or understand what we’re talking about.
On a positive side, despite the huge size of the country, most Russians speak roughly the same standard Russian. There are some regional words, but nothing I would call a dialect is popular anywhere but deep rural areas. You don’t have to learn all that to be fluent.
I just think сука блять иди нахуи дурак мне похуй дебил козёл ёобаный урод блин ёб твою мать and пиздеч are fun to say чувак.
As a Lithuanian can confirm why would you learn this language unless you are staying for a long time.
I know a lot of people who don’t speak German as their native language and who don’t or barely speak English, so I’d rather speak in German with them, or French with some of them.
Germany might be like that in Berlin and to an expect in some other big cities, but in most of the country, das ist Deutschland, wir sprechen deutsch!!
Das Leben ist zu kurz um Deutsch zu lernen.
Mein deutsch ist sehr schlect. Ich kenne alle wort zu Eine Insel Mit Zwei Bergen though.
I don’t think I agree with Spain unless you are in Barcelona and managed to say a few words in Catalán.
This is why expats in the Netherlands never learn Dutch even after years of living there. I know of people who lived in Amsterdam for 10 years and still don’t know any Dutch beyond “Hoe gaat het? Één stroopwafel alsjeblieft” the worst thing is that their kids who have spent most of their lives in the Netherlands don’t speak a lick of Dutch either, because these elitists send their kids to international school.
I hate the term expat. It’s completely made up to not be grouped with the not white immigrants. It also goes with the condescending attitude of not really wanting to integrate with their new country, such as your international school and not learning the language examples.
I think it has its place. There is a clear difference between someone coming to a country for a limited time to do some specialized work with the intention of leaving, compared to someone who has little or no intention of ever returning to their country of origin. Both categories are incompareble in the type of support they need (or want), where they live, whether they need to learn the language, etc. Just ignoring the difference is a bit silly.
Although I agree the term is misused sometimes.
There is definitely a distinction between expatriate and immigrant, but I have very very rarely seen it used properly. As the previous poster wrote, it really does feel like the main difference between an expat and an immigrant, colloquially, is the color of skin.
Lol what? In sweden for example i go to an international school because i dont speak swedish. And when i want to learn it they tell me that i cant attend the lessons because i cant speak swedish. When i try to speak to someone in swedish they notice that im making mistakes and automatically switch to english without even asking me. Its not the immigrants its the native speakers who have an attitude.
when i want to learn it they tell me that i cant attend the lessons because i cant speak swedish
What courses exactly? What’s your knowledge level? Because you won’t be able to join SAS (svenska som andraspråk) classes until you have a good basic comprehension from for example SFI (svenska för invandrare). Depending on your age, your town should have Komvux (adult education) classes for both SFI and SAS.
Or maybe some organisation offers a språkfika.
NotJustBikes moment
expats
You mean immigrants?
Learning Danish at the moment. The language is fun but the pronunciation is so cursed, God help me. German pronunciation was a walk in the park. So glad they all speak fluent English.
Try Norwegian instead. Basically the same language, but without the potato shoved down your throat!
I spoke Spanish at a shop in Barcelona and they were not my friend.
Barcelona is the capital of Cataluña. Try a few words in Catalán next time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_independence_movement
That’s because you spoke Castilian, not Catalan.
Yeah Spain is brutal for that, catalan is the least friendly region pretty much anywhere in Europe but the rest of Spain you get the same rudeness for not knowing exactly what their special local custom or dislect is. Mostly from older women and loud men.
It’s funny because they have a lot of really laid back folk too, it’s very polar.
Is the blue bit in Sweden near the Norwegian border a dialect area or a lake?
It’s Vänern, the largest lake in Sweden and the EU.
Lake
The correct legend for France is:
"Please don’t.
Also, don’t speak foreign. Especially not English."
Really should be a gradient ring around Paris tbf. Lovely welcoming Alsace and smelly dismissive Paris isn’t really a fair characterization at all.
“In fact, just don’t speak to me at all.”
