Yes! I haven’t read it yet but it is on my list. Is the book relevant about what we were discussing here?

I can tell you that it was really hard to make that connection for me. 5 long years since I was first introduced to vegetarianism, a shroom trip, watching Dominion and Earthlings multiple times, the book “Tender is the flesh”, and a course on generating compassion. I really made an effort to make the connection happen because I was convinced that it was the right thing but still I loved meat and couldn’t say no to it, and the memories of the slaughtered animals were there too.

When my brain finally clicked I couldn’t see meat as food anymore and went vegan, but meanwhile I couldn’t stop wanting it, and not thinking too much about the issue while eating was easy.

I feel there’s more to it for the whole issue. A strong attachment to the taste of meat is one. I have a friend that stopped being vegan and I’m sure the reason is this attachment too. And it is really hard to see it because there are a lot of mechanisms trying to convince you that it is not attachment. And I feel that this attachment kills the compassion/empathy.

I’m not 100% sure about it but I think my brain finally clicked when I was doing this compassion course. So maybe it was having a low empathy for animals the problem after all. But that was something hidden for myself, if you asked me back then about animals, I would tell you the typical bullshit about me loving animals and so forth. It was a lie that I believed myself. And that’s something to be aware of because I think most of the people are on the same page.

Fair enough, and yes sure, whatever you choose to do is your business (as long as you don’t hurt others).

Our body does this on survival mode, you won’t convince anyone here to join your lunatic diet my friendly carnivore. What are you even doing here?

You guys are literally dying from your diet and you come here to share “science for health”, I just learnt that Dr. Adam Nally died at 55 from a stroke. Please eat some veggies.

Regarding the minimally unethical are you sure about that?

Like do you know what happens to the male born chicks? Or what happens to the hens that stop giving eggs? Or in what conditions do they live? And about dairy, do you know what happens to male born calves? And what happens with the cow when she stops producing milk? And how the cow feels when their children are taken from her?

My friend, eggs and dairy are even more brutal that meat industry, which they are the same industry by the way.

I understand your point, my view in all of this is that this someone doesn’t need to die, it is something we want to do for own pleasure at the expense of other being.

Going back to the “humane” definition.

Can you kill someone that doesn’t want to die and doesn’t need to die with kindness and sympathy?

In the end is just a matter of perception, you would euthanize your dog if it is terminally sick and in my view this is humane killing, is an act that you do out of sympathy and kindness. But you wouldn’t kill your perfectly sane dog to feed your friends at your bbq and call this humane.

The first case may be sympathy, but the other is pure selfishness.

And the word need is very important here, that’s what veganism stands for, in the modern era and in majority of places one can renounce eating the meat of other beings and be perfectly healthy just to reduce needless suffering.

Just joking friend, thanks for the fun… Well my point was that there is no such thing as humane killing someone that doesn’t want to die. But lets leave the argument here, I’m not feeling too philosophical today hehe.

Have a nice day ;)

Fuck, what do I do now? I’m supposed to kill you with kindness, empathy and care, and now you tell me that you don’t want to die?

I’ll have to check with my lawyers, just be at your home around 19:00 and try to be happy.

Okay, I literally checked in the dictionary what the word means. Showing kindness, care and sympathy.

Shit now I understand, I forgot to ask you, do you want to die for my bbq?

I don’t understand, humanely means that you’ll be happy about it. I’m literally doing you a favor.

But you won’t get emotional nor make a drama about it, right?

It will be painless and you will be gone with a smile in your face knowing that your body parts will serve a purpose to make my friends happy for a while in my great BBQ!

I guess it appears in the local Lemmy.world feed which is followed by much more random people and a bigger audience, while solarpunks are mostly people who care about ecology.

Slrpnk.net for a happy safe place and Lemmy.world to fight and shitpost with carnists.

The second one can be useful in certain contexts, after all we have a message to share with the world, even if we get shunned by it.

Well about being quick I can’t promise anything, but telling everyone that I killed you humanely afterwards is something I can commit myself. I can even post images of you being happy and shit.

Hey I want to humanely kill you for my weekends bbq with friends, it’s okay if I come this afternoon for you?

In which cases exactly they are free of suffering? I can’t understand how you can believe that.

I mean have you seen the automated shakle line before the electric stun bath? Can you imagine yourself being put on this while someone tells you “no worries, you are not suffering”

You can see it in video I shared before, the whole process is shown, from birth to death.

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Yeah I had the same question but I guess that this very specific language just answers it, it does not include leather and why not? because money like always. There is a huge market on leather.

This is great news anyway, and it could be the first step to include leather one day.

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Wow thank you for such a great response!

I love India with all my heart, I’ve already been there 3 times, but only on the northern area. And yes at least from a vegan perspective it was a paradise in comparison with my country where from the article being a “chameleon” is a basically a need to not isolate yourself.

The areas I’ve been were mostly Buddhists and yeah it hurts seeing how many Buddhists just don’t care when the Mahayana teachings basically tells you go vegetarian at very least. But I’m glad that it worked for the Hindus, a funny thing, I didn’t know that! Well I didn’t know most of what you said, makes me want to go back again hehe

If it is not a problem to share, which country it is?

In my country (Spain) where meat and animal abuse is so deeply ingrained in our culture everyone looks at me like if I was retard or something. I always thought that the situation was similar everywhere else so I’m curious.