Since when are crimes illegal?
It’s only illegal if you get caught. It’s airtight MAGAt logic.
It’s only illegal if you
get caught.aren’t rich.ftfy
Since you’ve been poor?
Is he though? Seems like the latest “oh my god he’s going down” only for him to be out campaigning like a week later.
There is a disconnect between his legal situation and his behaviour because he’s too way stupid to realise he’s screwed.
He did a terrible job of hiding the evidence of his crimes in many cases he straight up boasted about them on Twitter. He’s misbehaved towards various judges on a number of occasions and threatened the jury. So not only is he absolutely screwed, he’s making the situation worse.
The reason he is still campaigning is because he’s really really really really thick. As are his supporters who think he has even a snowball’s chance in hell of getting away with this.
It’s old really because if he believed it’s his own rhetoric, then there’s some kind of evil vendetta against him bey the evil left, in which case he should know he’s not going to get away. Extreme cognitive dissonance.
I think somewhere in the back of his mind he knows he’s screwed from a legal perspective, but he also knows that if he acts like everything’s ok he might have a chance to be president again. He might be dumb but he knows the kind of power he has in his hands.
Fake it till you make it.
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Or he’s banking on getting re-elected before the case can conclude.
He’s used to this, first he does something blatantly illegal, then he makes the case take so long and cost so much that it’s not worth pursuing anymore.
Actually just wait, it’s probably far worse.
I’d bet a paycheck if he gets reelected the first act as president will be to pardon himself. If you don’t think he’ll do it, you weren’t paying attention during his first term.
All the more reason people need to get out and vote for whoever is running against him.
He “joked” about it, and about how he should be allowed to be President for life.
Trump doesn’t joke, at least not in the way a normal person does it, but how a fascist does it.
It’s a way of testing an idea, “How’s about you and me go do a race war? No? I was just kidding! Yes? Okay let’s fucking go!”
The wheels of justice turn very slowly in the USA. His legal team’s strategy to keep him or if prison is to slow then down even more. Iirc his first criminal trial starts either this Monday or the following Monday.
Unless you’re a poor person, obviously.
He will be found guilty. He committed multiple crimes in plain view of the public, those crimes were recorded on cameras, he’s made multiple statements admitting that he committed the crimes.
The real question is, will he be found guilty before he dies? He has enough money to put up bullshit delay tactics for the next 10 years.
He could also become president again, that’s his plan. He’s trying to run out the clock on all his legal troubles. Once he’s a presidential candidate I’ll bet you every one of those Republicans that turned on him after Jan. 6 will suddenly start saying it’s unconstitutional to charge/prosecute a presidential candidate.
Well that’s more to the point. If he’s able to keep out of jail for another year and a couple of months (easy enough for these kinds of cases) he can easily be within a shot of the whitehouse. Not ideal.
He’ll be elected and transform the government into a dictatorship of successors.
Defeatist thought is how Republicans convince Democratic votes to stay home.
I think it would be good if he did have to deal with the hell of the court system until he dies, burning the wick of hope until the very end. It would honestly be a relief if he finally went to prison and was able to make peace with his situation in his final years.
He would never make peace with being in prison, though. He’s a spoiled child who never had to face the consequences of his actions. He would lose his goddamn mind if anyone dared to punish him for his crimes.
Honestly I don’t care what happens to T as long as I can finally stop seeing his fucking name seemingly every other day. I was so happy when joe won because I thought 'my god, I won’t have to hear about trump for at least another four years! Finally!" Well I guess that clock finally ticked down and were back to talking about the most…interesting ex-president alive today.
Anyone else remember when Bill getting a blowjob was earth shattering and impeachment-discussion worthy? Really puts things into perspective.
Im simply tired of hearing his name and seeing his face. Whether he gets jailed forever, gets away with a wrist slap, or dies of old age/gets epsteined before either, I couldn’t care less as long as he finally gets out of the spotlight permanently.
My money is on a wrist slap but we’ll see. The rich and politically well connected are notoriously known for getting away with just about anything in the U.S. Y’know because they built the system and rigged it to be in their favor. Fairness is the philosophical tooth fairy, it doesn’t exist. I won’t be clutching my pearls about how justice in america is dead if he slips away with a few hundred mil in fines and 200 hours community service before he gets booted out to live the rest of his days on one of his private islands in bumfuck nowhere atlantic ocean.
He’s that terminal cancer we all hate, like truly hate.
Starting to think he’ll never go to jail, and most likely he’ll get re-elected.
He’ll probably die before seeing his jail cell.
At this point, I’ll accept that. Go cholesterol, go!
I’m fine with him dying afraid.
Hopefully soon
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Bold of you to assume they can.
You mean all those letters actually mean something?
Like a mashed-potatoes sculpture.
Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions…
They do red though…
Ok, I laughed a bit, nice put
Why so downvoted… I thought it was a good effort 5/7
No idea. It sounded funny in my head. I guess I missed the mark somehow.
Hesh doesn’t know how to read!
…underneath the water… 🎶
Acting as a martyr he is gaining even more consensus. This can backfire… like what happened with, say, Berlusconi who got re-elected multiple times despite being prosecuted.
Maybe so, but it would backfire even more if they completely refrained from holding him accountable for his countless crimes.
He has all the support he’s ever going to get. His supporters are probably going to go ballistic when he’s convicted but they go ballistic most of the time anyway. He’s not swaying on the fence voters.
He’s actually repelling voters while at the same time splitting the Republican vote. He is actually the left secret weapon against the right, let Trump do as much damage as possible to the Republicans, and then come on in the campaign time, point out but he is basically trying to start a dictatorship.
He has all the support he’s ever going to get, but he will also have them forever, no matter what.
Unless democrats muster really really good turnout it could be an ugly surprise again.
Hmm, I understand the concept, but this should be adjusted:
“Why Donald Trump is Being Prosecuted”
“Because he is accused of committing crimes.”
Remember, folks, innocent until proven guilty.
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Yep, and surprising absolutely no one.
In my view, innocent until proven guilty is a concept that only applies to legal proceedings. It’s a vital concept to apply to the state to prevent tyranny. But the colloquial standard of proof is much lower, We know he did those things, he’s even admitted it, and those things are crimes. He committed crimes.
And, we can safely say it, and it will have no effect on the legal proceedings, because we’re not part of them. Let’s not muddy the waters, and let’s save “allegedly” in the colloquial context for things for which we have no proof. Otherwise, how do we talk about cases like OJ Simpson? Everybody knows he did it, but the state didn’t meet its burden of proof in court. In the legal sense, he’s not guilty, and in the colloquial sense, he’s guilty, and both of those things can be true at once.
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I respect it by accepting the outcome of the legal process, even if I don’t like it, not by tying myself up in conversational knots. I, for one, will continue to say that he committed crimes, because he did. Whether he’s convicted is different matter.
I respect it by accepting the outcome of the legal process, even if I don’t like it, not by tying myself up in conversational knots.
I, for one, will continue to say that he committed crimes, because he did. Whether he’s convicted is different matter.
English may be my second language, but isn’t those pretty contradictory?
“I already believe he is guilty” is an opinion which does not violate the legal process unless you’re in the juror’s box or otherwise involved in the justice system prosecuting him.
I don’t think so. One is a statement of (perceived) fact. The other the outcome of a process. Committing crimes is what triggers criminal legal proceedings. At least, in a just world. There are too many people convicted by a court of law who did not commit a crime, and I’m not going to call them criminals.
Committing crimes is what triggers criminal legal proceedings.
Being accused of committing a crime is what triggers criminal legal proceedings. Many people commit crimes and get away with it because they have no accusers. Many others are defendants who are accused, but did not actually commit any crime. I’m not saying that Trump didn’t commit crimes (it’s pretty obvious that he did), but I am pointing out that it is the accusation and being formally charged that causes one to be prosecuted. In my mind, it’s an important distinction.
Fair point, and a good elaboration. That dovetails with my thinking, too. If a house gets robbed and there’s no evidence who did it, we still call it a crime, even without a conviction in court. If we accuse somebody of it, that’s a good use of “accused criminal” in the colloquial sense.
Trump himself was all too happy to let accusations fly about Hunter Biden although nothing is proven guilty there.
We’ve all seen the evidence. We’ve seen the pictures of classified documents sitting in Mara Lago. We’ve heard the recording of Trump openly admitting that he didn’t declassify them and shouldn’t have them. It’s farcical to pretend he’s not guilty.
“Yes that’s me in that video murdering those people, and I’ll do it again!”
Hey guys, we gotta presume innocence!
Your joke suggests a different situation where the accused is declaring their guilt. Not exactly the same thing.
Actually very close to the same thing, since Trump has declared his guilt too. Just because he framed it as a good thing to do doesn’t make it any less of a confession.
I never said he wasn’t guilty. I merely pointed out that an accusation is what precedes legal prosecution, regardless of whether or not the accused actually committed a crime. Despite irrefutable evidence of Trump’s crimes existing, it remains important to remember the way the system actually works.
He has admitted to crimes himself on video countless times.
We’re not on the jury. We can say what’s obvious.
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What on Earth are you on about? Trump deserves to be tried for his crimes, and George Floyd should also have been tried in a court to see if he was guilty of committing any crimes. Only Floyd was executed in the street before he could be tried for anything, and Trump is still barely facing any consequences for his life of documented crimes.
Let me know when Trump gets choked to death because he may have broken a law.
What are you, the king of false equivalents?
So, are you a troll or are you sincerely this bad of a person?
Remember that time George Floyd was caught bragging about his dozens of stolen US documents on twitter? I remember it about as well as I remember George Floyd’s trial…
Oh wait he didn’t fucking have one because they fucking crushed his neck with a fucking knee.
