Rural Ohio is a goddamn nightmare. I live in a dense suburb (almost urban) and all the signs in my neighborhood say “vote yes,” but if I drive out one county away, all the “vote no” and accompanying misinformation starts rolling out.
Misinformation like: “Abortion kills babies” (it does not).
“Abortion harms children” (it does not).
“Abortion infringes on parents’ rights” (it does not). “Abortion is dangerous” (only if it’s done in secrecy, because you’ve made it a crime).Everything about the anti-abortion movement is a lie, starting with the name they use for themselves.
On that note, there was an article a while back saying they needed a new name because “pro life” wasn’t resonating with people anymore. It’s not the fucking name that’s the problem, you evil bastards, it’s more and more people realizing that they have no stake in what other people decide to do with their pregnancies and that it’s nice to have that option because you can’t predict your circumstances.
Yeah by the time you see the “hell is real” signs you’ve seen enough of rural Ohio to know it’s true
The right to life group in my toen has ads saying “Stop Taxpayers funded abortion” which is just a flat out lie.
I was up in Ohio this weekend and saw signs saying “Vote NO on Issue 1. Protect Children. Protect Parent’s Rights.” Like, the lie about “protecting children” I get, but how the fuck can you spin abortion access as restricting parents’ rights?
For decades now, they’ve claimed that legal abortions will lead to forced abortions.
“They’re trying to do genocide and eugenics!” they loudly proclaimed, readying their own plans for genocide and eugenics.
But don’t you see? They only want to genocide the others!
Ah yes, the conservative’s belief in the all-important man’s right to do whatever the fuck he wants. How could I have forgotten that?
Seems like a cookie-cutter argument that can be used against legalizing almost anything. People who argue in bad faith must love it.
It would allow children to have abortions against their parents will. No seriously that’s it. Like I for one think that you don’t get a say in if your kid has an abortion if they don’t want you to because they’re old enough to have gotten into this mess
So it’s more like “grandparents’ rights” without having to admit that they screwed up somewhere along the way that lead to them being grandparents in the first place.
It’s always about the edge cases, rather than the common ones.
I certainly expect a say over my 12 year old’s healthcare: they didn’t have a clue at that age. If I had a 12 year old girl and a Republican got her pregnant, damn right I’d do what I could to save her future (assuming I was not in jail).
However, a more typical case is those 16-18 year olds growing up too fast, and yes, being in that situation is a fast track to adulthood and difficult questions that are entirely that person’s business
Should still be that child’s option, not the parent
I’ve been seeing this too in Ohio, they’ve been using deceiving wording on the issue 1 campaign signs with the goal of confusing voters. When we looked up the issues ourselves online we quickly realized that those who support the right to choose should be voting yes. I fail to see how forcing mothers to give birth to a stillborn fetus is “protecting parent’s rights”.
Their tactics are getting old, man.
I’ve seen some anti choice people frame it as a father’s right to have their child exist. Which if you squint and don’t think about it too hard kind of makes half a point. Sucks to be in that situation and can feel some sympathy, but doesn’t rise to the level of justifying using someone’s body/ making medical decisions for them without their consent though. Not agreeing with the stance of course, but that’s the only framing I can think of that’s not “just lying on purpose”
Yeah like I sympathize with people in that position until they try to ban abortion or feel they should have a legal say in whether or not someone else remains pregnant.
In this case though, I think it is still lying on purpose. This situation still happens with similar regularity because having an abortion when your partner wants to keep it isn’t something often done lightly. More of a common scenario now is men whose partner and them both want an abortion, but the risk or cost of pursuing it is too high so they’re stuck with a kid neither wanted.
…frame it as a father’s right to have their child exist…
That “right” (which doesn’t even exist) does not override someone else’s right to bodily autonomy.
The argument is that a minor could make reproductive issues for themselves without a parent present or knowing. That’s where they’re drawing the “parents rights” from. It would reach into STD care too, for instance. Where the bill lacks a little of logic is that someone’s gotta pay for the care, and that’s usually a parent.
E: I see it also mentioned another point is that the father could lose his say as well.
Don’t take my comment as though I’m taking a side, I wondered the exact same thing and looked up why it was stated that way.
Shouldn’t it be more accurately phrased as “Grandparent’s rights” then? 🤣
someone’s gotta pay for the care, and that’s usually a parent.
That doesn’t mean you get details. My elder kid recently turned 18 and is in college. I have to pay all medical bills and all college bills but don’t see any details except who to pay. I have to say it’s a bit of a shock from a few months ago
Did the detail (Explanation of Benefit or whatever) stop on their 18th then?
Yes. For me the biggest issue is college paperwork. I not only can no longer see his grades, for which I’m paying, but I can’t see online paperwork for student loans or other financial aid, which is helping me pay, and I don’t get paperwork notifications, to help make sure he meets all those paperwork requirements
I was wondering the same thing until I saw a YouTube ad from Mike DeWine (Governor of Ohio) urging people to vote no. Apparently, if your kid gets pregnant, and wants or needs an abortion, you as their parent, cannot object or prevent that. It’s totally backwards though, if abortion is illegal, then you have no choice, and no right to help your child avoid the pain and trauma of carrying an unwanted or risky pregnancy to term.
Hyperbole has always been at the center abortion debate. But the kick is, all these pro lifers are perfectly fine with abortion when it’s done for them or their loved ones.
https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
Very happy to see this here. This piece should be mandatory reading in every Health class in America. Attribution bias is absolutely at the core of the debate.
Yes. I said elsewhere that we spend so much more (time, money, effort) to do the wrong thing than we would to do proven correct things. Tell me cruelty isn’t the point.
Will never not upvote this link.
Republicans, “abortion is a states rights issue!”
Abortion ban votes fail in red states and blue states protect abortion rights.
Republicans, “NO NOT LIKE THAT! WE NEED A NATIONAL BAN!”
A republican’s only goal in life is to punish all of the women who wouldn’t have sex with them but would with other people.
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Pretty sure that’s not the goal of Republican women.
I agree they’re motivated mostly by spite, but it’s complicated spite.
No it is very simple. “Punish anyone deemed ‘lazy’”
That doesn’t really explain the racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Yes, there is a trope of immigrants, etc., being lazy, but there’s no such stereotype about LGBT+ people. I’m pretty sure the perceived laziness comes from the hatred, not the other way around.
You mean projection, it comes from the projection they do
It’s internalized misogyny.
Seriously, everyone who says the whole controlling women thing is overthinking this.
A Republican offers society absolutely nothing. The Republicans know they offer society nothing. Thus, they literally make up morals that don’t change their lives in meaningful ways. Throw in some scapegoating for good measure.
Born straight or cisgender, well now you have easy minority groups to target. Born to the white Christian majority? Well, just say your EXISTENCE* is the correct moral choice and now go after everyone else.
*Notice how I didn’t say values or anything like religion. These people essentially worship their genetics and [cultural] upbringing.
There is no push for work reform, responsible price regulation, environment regulation, better healthcare, less murder, more vacation/relaxing time to destress, etc…
They just talk about fetuses.
Which is odd given the amount of closeted gay pedos there are in the party.
Glenn Youngkin is such a snake in the grass. He distanced himself from trump during his election without ever fully condemning him. Then the day of the election sent out a flyer saying Donald trump endorsed him for governor.
He’s been thankfully kept in check by a democrat controlled legislature but if that changes in this next election we are in big trouble. He’s already gutted virginias path to recreational marijuana and suggests he only wants a 15 week abortion ban but make no mistake he will enact a near total ban here if he can get the legislature to back him.
He likes to pretend like he’s a moderate conservative but he’s an extremist just like the rest. The problem is he’s hugely popular here because he checks all the boxes for people. For the moderates he doesn’t come off as too extreme. For the maga republicans he’s just enough of an extremist for them that they back him. He’s doing all of this by design, building a ‘reasonable republican’ image to set himself up for a presidential run.
He’s a piece of shit and my only hope here is that he only loses more control in the next election. But we will see.
If McAuliffe had put forth a bit more effort it would have been better. But he felt a bit too complacent.
I can’t stand the tantrums that Dumbkin puts on tv. Just that shit is no way to be a governor.
Virginia dems definitely blew it
Ohio and VirginiaRepublicans Are LyingAbout, Well, Everything to Get People to Vote Against AbortionI mean they’re not always lying. Just…whenever they’re talking (or communicating in any other fashion)
I dunno man. I’ve heard, even when they’re asleep, they’re lying down!
Well of course. Ohioans want abortion. Every Ohioan without their head in the sand knows that we as a state generally swing pro freedom on social issues. The only reason abortion might fail next month is due to manipulation and voter suppression.
Hell we probably would’ve legalized recreational marijuana a decade ago if the ballot initiative wasn’t designed to create a monopoly. The more free version of that is the ballot initiative next month that’s really up in the air.
I’m feeling confident that having marijuana on the ballot will help Issue 1 pass. Most of the stoners that are gonna come out to vote for Issue 2 will likely vote for issue one while they are at the polls
The Republicans are desperate. I’m seeing anti issue 2 ads claiming that there’s no warning label requirements for gummies as they literally showed bags of “stoner patch kids” like 1) who’s going to give out their hard earned drugs for Halloween? 2) what manufacturer isn’t going to put a warning label on their packaging to avoid liability?
One of the few times you will see state law enforcement enforcing federal copyright/trademark law is when weed companies make products like “Stoner Patch Kids” - which honestly is probably good for the industry, as it helps remove arguments that such knock-offs/brand parodies cause confusion in the marketplace/run the risk of inadvertent consumption (by… Children!!! (pearl clutching commences)).
Thankfully, here in Ohio, we are almost definitely gonna pass issue 1. Abortion is not a winning issue for Republicans right now, which is obviously why they’re lying. This November, we are also likely to pass weed legalization, possibly because of the increase in turnout with the abortion measure. Ohio is pretty red don’t get me wrong, but both issues should still pass with an okay margin.
As an Indiana resident, I’m looking forward to being surrounded by states where weed is legal. You already see a ton of Indiana plates at Illinois and Michigan dispensaries.
Then again, if you look at every other recent election that has had abortion on the ballot, this spells doom for the GOP.
The dog caught the car & is now being pulled under the tires.
I actually got a Pro-Issue 1 flyer in the mail, but it seemed somewhat oddly written. It had a pediatrician in support of it, saying that issue 1 would allow her to do her job. If the main issue here is abortion access, it almost makes it seem like she performs abortion, so I’m assuming it must be in reference to something. I’ll be voting yes on issue 1, but it just seemed like a slightly odd way to argue for the issue, has there been an accusal that doctors won’t be able to do their job if issue 1 passes? I feel like they’re throwing out whatever they can to see what sticks.
I assume this is the one? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8lJMpZXYAEBjHt?format=jpg&name=900x900
Here’s a ProPublica article about that pediatrician’s reason for getting involved: https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-join-political-battle-over-abortion-laws
Her rationale is basically that young children (and teenagers) can get pregnant and want to end the pregnancy or get birth control to prevent it. Part of her job is supporting their choice to do so.
But I see what you mean. It almost seems like it could be the start of a satirical flyer trying to paint the pro-choice position as extreme.
