Those are all train manufacturers.

Hint: None of those companies make electric vehicles.

That’s really a matter of opinion. I love CarPlay and prefer it to Tesla’s screen. The voice recognition is just not as good and fails most of the time when I ask it to dial or send a text message. It lacks WhatsApp integration, and my favorite podcast app just doesn’t work with Tesla’s system and never will.

Hyundai feels more comfortable both in seats and interface; I prefer actual buttons rather than trying to scroll through menus at high speed to turn on and off car features. Non-round steering wheels and lack of turn stalks should be banned for safety. I feel safer glancing at a speedometer in front of me rather than glancing away from the road so often. And Hyundai Ioniq cars have much better self driving on highway compared to what Tesla has, as Tesla keeps nearly clipping trucks or going out of lanes forcing me to take over far too often. I even like the auto park features.

But this really is a matter of opinion and preference.

Tesla cars are a mixed bag (for Europeans, at least).

The software is good (although it got worse, many things now require multiple touches, which is really bad when driving), and it is better than every other brand I know.

But a lot of other aspects are suboptimal. E.g. the insulation is sub-par, resulting in more noise. The assistance systems are really bad, the car tried to kill me multiple times on the Autobahn. The cameras are bad when it’s dark outside, often I have to guess what I see in the rear camera when parking. The placement of the rear camera leads to dirt on it, I have to clean it every day to be able to use it. Etc, pp.

Nothing is so bad that I would advise against a Tesla, but these are many small paper cuts I was not used to in other brands.

That said: don’t buy a Tesla. Musk is a Nazi. Don’t support Nazis, punch them.

Edit: didn’t notice the train joke. Nice, you got me ;-)

Pretty sure it’s a joke and the Electric Vehicle here are trains, as those 4 are train manufacturers. Regarding your (small) rant, no opinion, but the joke is funny and the electric train is the superior mean of transportation.

I never owned a tesla, i only know people who own and have owned teslas and it’s a mixed bag. It’s really not as simple as “car very good” and “car very bad” the biggest problem with the early gen tesla (imo) is that they aren’t really thought out in many many places. My mechanic friend bought an early gen tesla for cheap and we started to pull it apart because it made odd noises. I have never seen such a weird ass car. They just glued in neoprene (or whatever that is) and other parts into the body panel for some reason. Well one reason is that the car collects dirt in the panels. And i mean i pulled out buckets of dirt from that car. The interior is incredible cheap lookjng and feeling. A lot of things in that car was just bizzar. It was like a show car, that wasn’t ment to drive because everything seemed so flimsy so they just added stuff to make it not fall apart.

A guy i know ordered a then new tesla (around 2021) he was supposed to get the car in august that year, they delivered it around christmas. He’s a real fanboy and he was so excited for that car. When they delivered it, the car was absolutely shit. Panel misalignment is normal with these cars, but this was crazy, and not just panels, also interior and the car rattled and what not. He didn’t accept it and the delivery guy told him the car just goes to the next guy on the list until someone accepts it. So he got another car in march or so. His windshield broke a bit later and it took them 8 month to get a new one, and because they don’t have a real garage, he delivered it and they took it somewhere. It was gone for a long time and they didn’t just change the windows, they also changed out the drivetrain and didn’t say anything. This part is speculative to be honest, but it usually doesn’t take more than a month to change the windscreen and when we put the car on a lift, the frivetrain was suspiciously clean compared to the rest of the car. They denied everything tho. These are my first hand experiences, and reading the problems other tesla owners have, it’s pretty clear that quality, quality control and customer service is like dead last on the list.

I have a Tesla (it’s 4 years old, dont kill me. I wouldnt buy one now. I would unbuy it if I could. Fuck Elon, fuck Tesla) and my boyfriend has a new Hyundai Ioniq 5. The Ioniq is a really cool car, no problems yet with it so far, but the Tesla absolutely demolishes it from a software/end user standpoint.

It is definitely the best non-Tesla EV I’ve played with so far, though, but I am so glad he decided on it over a 2nd Tesla. I dont think I could look at him anymore if he bought one at this point…

EV is only as good as its software

That’s odd, because usually when I’m driving a car, the only software I really need to do its’ job is the powertrain control module and I haven’t noticed that being so bad in literally any manufacturer.

Oh I am not saying that Tesla is not making good cars, but that cars are inferior to trains. Those companies mostly had full self driving before Tesla was founded. They also all build high speed rail, which means they are faster then Tesla. Trains also use less energy then cars. The onboard entertainment mainly is bring your own device and use the WiFi, but options for restaurants are decently common.

Stfu

He did not see that coming

That sounds like a bubble that needs a pin 📌

Why? Shareholders do not care about the health of the company so long as its stock price is high.

And so long as it continues to remain high as long as they remain shareholders. Do Tesla shareholders really think Tesla is going to keep its value? Do they think that what Musk is doing as CEO is really helping enhance that value? I mean, when was the last time he actually did any work as Tesla CEO?

The product isn’t the cars. It’s all the data he’s vacuuming up from the rubes who keep buying them.

I don’t think you understand what “hedging their bets” means.

There’s a difference between “elon fan bois” and the various shareholders in Tesla and potential electric car buyers.

Until recently, I think I’d have given them a shot if Musk was 100% removed from the company, not by his choice. Now, Tesla is synonymous with a Nazi. That taint will last decades if they were to drop him right now, but I will never give them a penny.

im not really sure where the solar/battery stuff fall as far as their options compared to others.

For the residential market it looks like this.

Panels - Tesla solar panels are nothing special. They use other manufacturer’s panels. They generally choose acceptable middle-of-the-road models, not the high end, not the low end.

Panel integration to homes - Telsa does have a clever part for linking into an existing home wiring panel that can be faster/cheaper that the common methods called a meter collar. However it is only certified for use in some states so far. Also, other companies are coming out with their own meter collar, but I concede that Tesla was the first to do this.

Battery - Tesla Powerwall is one of the most popular home battery options because of its large capacity relative to its price. However, there have been bad runs with some of its models with its inverter prematurely failing or running extra hot and shutting down. Overall its still considered higher quality unit and user experience. However, its not the only battery on the market. In the USA solar vendor specific batteries exist with pros and cons compared to Tesla. Enphase is one of the leaders in home solar, and they make an excellent (but expensive) battery system. Franklin also makes a vendor neutral battery that is highly regarded.

In all of these Tesla home solar products one thing that is universally agreed to is how horrible the Tesla customer service experience is. Getting a hold of a human is nearly impossible. When you do the human will frequently not follow up, and you’ll find out that human is gone and you have to go through the process again to get your issue addressed. Replacement parts can be delayed by months mean, and not infrequently the subcontractors used to install the equipment cause problems or damage to the houses where the install occurs.

I chose to skip Tesla and did not use them for any of my home solar install and I’m very glad I did.

It’s round! Like a bridge!

Sheik Sheik Sheik, Sheik Yerbouti!! It’s been a real long time since anyone mention the reference, cheers!

I don’t know that there’s any sort of conspiracy, but it’s definitely true that a huge part of the market is in “dumb money” – index funds that just buy every stock weighted by market cap, and thus exert no influence on what the companies actually do.

I also suspect that because so much manufacturing is in China, what we think of as the world’s stock market is just a small fraction of anything. Does an index count if an index doesn’t measure much?

Yeah, the guy who apparently now controls the strings of the government could just click a button to have the government order 1 million Teslas.

Other than investing in the hopes of seeing returns from corruption, it doesn’t really make any sense.

Snakes, rats, sharks, and pigs. These are all beautiful animals, but describe terrible humans. These animals don’t deserve the association. I agree with you, and maybe we should stick to double-crossers, snitches, shysters, and cops or find other catchy names that work.

what if we created it from grinding up tesla bumpbers