Well that should be easy to fix. Just have a world war with a general draft and all for about 5 years. Then another one soon after in an arbitrary place. That sort of thing really brings people together, and also kills many of them, all contributing to a healthy housing market!
Hey throw millenials in this too please.
And GenX. I bet a lot of them feel it too unless dementia has already set in.
nah yall are cringe and unfunny, pick up some humor first and we’ll include yall.
Maybe gen x could like, do something, for once. Maybe then people would care about them.
alright that’s enough of my generational slander quota for the day. Have a good day random internet people :)
Okay Gen Skibidi toilet, peak humor…
Watch out, they might “prank” you by tormenting a homeless person or something
eat my bum worms
Among all my friends, there are two clear common denominators between those who rent and those who own houses. The ones renting have office jobs and live in the capital, while the ones who own houses live in smaller cities or the countryside and work in manual labor.
I’m not saying correlation is causation, but it’s an interesting observation - and so far, it applies to 100% of my friends.
Okay but… where’s the news?
My parents holding fast with “well, it’s always been like that” made me realize how big this generational divide is.
There are good boomers who get it, yes. There are also some really dumb ones who have literally no clue what kind of world they helped create. Full stop.
And there are some Nazi gen z. We have to pull together the good ones from every generation and become helpers together. We can’t bitch about the ones that are shit, there are shit people in every generation, so it’s a waste of time and a distraction.
Yes, 100% this. There are plenty of boomers that got reamed by various elitist schemes, too. People right on the cusp of retirement only to have everything wiped out by something like an Enron or the real-estate bubble and they get to keep working another 10+ years…I think people have rose-colored glasses when it comes to the things boomers faced, too. It was not all sunshine and roses for everyone in that age bracket. It is lunacy to suggest that it was/is.
There may be some boomers doing nefarious things like Blackstone, driving up the cost of living for everyone, but I bet there are some very, very young people in schemes like that, too, making lots of money. Or individuals like fElon’s boyz - I don’t think the Dogebags are boomers. And fElon himself is Gen X…
Then there are headlines that I see like this that run counter to virtually everything you’d hear about Gen Y in recent years:
https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/your-money/millennials-financially-baby-boomers/
Lastly when the bullshit inter-generational warfare is whipped up, I remember this…
fElon
You call him like that every time. Please stop. It feels like Russian propaganda bot is talking. It’s bad and not funny to distort people’s names/surnames
Me and my fiancee both work full time to just barely survive each month with no savings because the CoL is so fucking high it’s unmaintainable. And if you reply with “just move”, first: I’m in the midwest, it’s not AS bad out here, and second: Moving is a privilege, it’s expensive, time consuming, and often times you end up in a worse spot than you were before
Exactly! Same boat, I am too poor to move! Due to missed payments on mortgage, credit cards, and medical bills, our credit score is abysmal. There is no way we can get a new mortgage or pass credit checks for an apartment. On top of that I don’t have the time or money to invest into the house so there are many things that need to be fixed, some of these absolutely need to before selling it so I also can’t just sell either. 3rd, you’re right. Wherever I do end up moving (if somehow we did get approved), it’s probably going to cost more due to higher interest rates, and it will most likely cost more. We are praying to make it a few more years until stupid daycare is done so we can finally make ends meet a little…
I never thought I would be in this bad of a situation in my life, but here I am and I just want to survive each day. Thinking about money every day for years now is tiring and stressful. They have a name for it, its called poverty brain.
I had a basic but nice first house, but I sold it to move for a new job. I even was lucky enough to still make a bit of a profit. But not enough, and now I’m stuck back with renting again, can’t really afford to buy a new house with interest rates, prices, inflation eroding my income in other areas, and poor availability. I think back to my parents buying their first house and how nice it was by comparison, for a fraction of the price even adjusted for inflation and it gives me a really unfortunate sense of perspective, much less hearing stories like yours or from friends I know who are in a bad situations. I’m not struggling, but prospects for improving things aren’t great either, and that seems to be the case for everyone I know.
Don’t worry. All that work you’re doing will pay off… your landlord’s fifth mortgage.
In my case I’m subleasing so I’m paying off my Landlords’ Landlord’s fifth mortgage
Landlords all the way down.
You just need to put in some extra effort or get a side hustle like we did. /S elder millennial.
I can install some pull handles on your bootstraps for a small monthly subscription fee. No, you won’t own them.
I’d love to know your version of “just barely” is you have two adults working full time in a 2 person household.
Maybe your mortgage is far higher then I’m imagining.
I live in an apartment, but it’s overpriced, and it’s just me. This world is designed to be a 2 person household.
So I have to imagine you’re living beyond your means. I’m living beyond my means too, but I also don’t have a decent wage either. So living at all is living beyond my means.
You should add up your whole house income, divide that number by 4, and THAT number should be what your mortgage shouldn’t be higher than.
I suspect your mortgage is probably much higher than that number.
Either that or we have different definitions of “just getting by”.
Lets use WA as an example. Average house costs 588k interest rate is about 7% now. So you’ll be paying $4300 per month. So man that’s rough but surely there are some cheaper that average units out there! If you want to be anywhere near where the majority of the jobs are even a lot drive away you are going to have a hard time getting below 450k or 3300 per month.
Well maybe you can rent cheaper right? 2BR 1.5 bath where again most of the jobs are can easily run you $2000-2500 which seems like a very nice savings however whereas your fixed rate mortgage is you know fixed your rent will probably exceed the payment on your mortgage within 10-12 years and since you have no equity you have no cushion to fall back on if you ever experience a downturn you could find yourself a bum on the street. Hell if you aren’t able to save anything you will definitely be heading for bum status when you get old enough that you can’t work. Holding on to being able to own something is an investment in not descending into desperate poverty later.
I think its weird how people don’t believe people can actually be struggling in America without also somehow being the source of their own problems. It’s like people like you have broken brains.
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That formula hasn’t been valid for like, 20 years?
Yeah that inital response gave me the impression that they live in a completely different situation than what I, and most of the people I know IRL are experiencing. Typical rent prices out here are 120% the sum of 2 weeks of minimum wage pay, not including utilities
≥ Mortgage You lost me there, renting is much more expensive than paying a mortgage off
Yep if you rent for 60 years you’ll have nothing and spend more by far than the cost of the mortgage.
My rent is around 1800 euro, if I’d buy this apartment, my mortgage would be around 3000. That’s for more than half a mil. After 30 years I’d have paid off more than a mil.
The company I rent from just got their financing much earlier, and in very big quantities. (Eg it has 100s to 1000s apartments and houses.)
Every year I make more money, every year the place I live is more difficult to buy.
Depends where and how you live. My rent is $800 a month, but some mortgages are thousands of dollars.
Where the fuck do you live with $800 rent? Middle of Montana? Dead center of Death Valley? Gtfo.
800 if split 5 ways probably
Ikr, just saw an ad for a nearby apartment wanting 1,200$ a month for a studio apartment… in Nebraska
Lakewood, a suburb of Cleveland. It’s overpriced as hell.
$800 Rent is cheap in this economy
Yeah, but I’m not in your economy. Average wage around here is lkke $10/hr.
You pay $500 less than the average American for rent. I think you may be lacking the perspective necessary to engage productively with this topic.
My rent is $500 less than whatever metric you’re using, but our local ecconomy is also lowers than yours.
Average wage here is 10/hr for a factory job. I’ve heard some places like Seattle make $20/hr just working at starbucks.
And keep in mind my rent is basically 1 room.
Again, the “how you live” thing again, in your opinion, what is the “correct” way to live?
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Moving is a privilege,
Poor people move all the time. It’s a fucking wild take to call moving a privilege. Though I do agree with the last bit about sometimes (or maybe even often) being in a worse position than before
Look at this guy he knows all the poor people.
I read something in The Atlantic about how people used to move about every three years and that sounds insane to me.
And also, the phrase “I just read something thing in The Atlantic” makes me feel even older than my gout and shingles.
When I was young we averaged moving every 4.5 years, but for reasons, I got very accustomed to changing environments every year or so, and as an adult I’ve struggled to stay in one place for the clean start it offers, but moving is so expensive now, and I don’t like driving anywhere near enough to be a nomad van dweller type.
I can maybe do it one more time in the near future, assuming money and housing values don’t tank first, but that’s probably it for the rest of my days. I hope it really scratches the anxious itch for change, cuz if not…
You’re going to have to rename yourself to Boomer Humor Doomergod. (Sorry about the gout and shingles.)
As soon as I’m on my Good Screen tm I’ll do it
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I have a feeling the poors don’t move to different cities/states that often.
Many in GenX does, though.
https://www.redfin.com/news/homeownership-rate-by-generation-2023/
I mean not really that far of from boomers.
78.8% vs 26%?
Hey Gen Z, first time being gaslit by boomers? Heh, yyeeeaaaahhhhhhh…they do that. Now imagine having them as your parent, and you’re 5, and you have to just live with their bullshit.
~Sincerely, Gen X and the older millenials.
However, I’m old enough to remember watching the boomers getting gaslit by the “Greatest Generation”.
But yeah, as an Xer, it seems like we got the short straw. The boomers sucked all the air out of the room for so very long, that if the (mostly boomer- and Greatest Generation- led) media stopped giving them all the attention for a moment, it was to only label us the “slacker generation”.
By the time the boomer narcissism’s grip was loosened, the focus was mostly on to Gen Y, and if we are being honest here, due to their numbers, the media narcissism around Gen Y reminds me very much of the boomers, with Gen Z quickly catching up.
I suspect that’s very much due to a numbers game - if advertising dollars figure they can center a particular group enough, they can scoop up all those $$$ by selling a certain age range a story about themselves…
“it’ll all make sense when you’re an adult”
well. i’m an adult now. some would even say old or middle aged. it still doesn’t make sense
My parents were Gen X but they faithfully followed the boomer mindset
I know many people in their 50s who are Boomer as fuck.
40s as well for me
The real Boomers were the assholes we met along the way.
I’m so glad as I’m close to my 40s I know so many fellow millinials who still thinks utter bullshit.
Unfortunately, a lot of Gen X went that way.
Nuance is hard. It’s all just binary, isn’t it?
Never said it was?
my parents were silent generation.
I hate this idea that people need to work themselves to death to survive. We have such a surplus of resources today that people should barely have to work. I don’t know what it was that pulled the mask off this farce of a system we have, but it sure as shit isn’t worth it to bust my ass for 45 years so the CEO of FuCKYou Incorporated can get another bigger yacht.
We have tons of excess. The problem is it’s hoarded by a small tyrannical group of psychopaths bent on increasing their wealth at the cost of everyone else.
I personally am capable of working any boomer in their prime into exhausting while I’m still pushing for hours more. The whole “millenials are lazy” is corporate bullshit designed to make parents think their kids are just lazy and not being ripped off by the system they demand exists.
Pull a 16hr shift working network engineering during an outage, then come back to work in 8hrs for another full day on a Monday, then when the boomer stops having their mental break down they can apologize in person to every millennial they talked shit about.
Oh, and because you’re an engineer, NO OVERTIME! YOU SALARY BITCH! THOSE HOURS ARE INCLUDED!
Ok that’s fine I’ll just be leaving that much earlier on friday
Yeah that sounds healthy in the long run
I’ve got three meetings and an unscheduled emergency requiring 90% of the IT staff to sit on a conference call that says you’ll be staying late Friday, too.
Ok that’s fine I just won’t be coming in at all on monday then.
And if it’s going to keep happening like this we’re gonna have a conversation about renegotiating my employment, because this is not what we agreed to.
Ah, not a team player I see.
Good!
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Maybe the boomers need to stop working and die, so the better paying jobs and wealth can come to the younger generations.
I think you’re going to get your wish. They’re not paying for all kind of social funding (low income housing for the elderly, for example). Yay?
It’s a shame that my sarcastic comment might have to be taken seriously in 2025, depending on what ORAGNE does.
And yet Gen Z turned out for… Trump? He’ll surely help the economy and enable a new era of magically plentiful high paying, stable jobs.
Less than half of us voted. As a member of Gen Z who DID vote for Khamala its because the only good thing she does is not be Trump.
A good portion of our generations more liberal/left-leaning side just got done having the shit beaten out of them by cops before getting kicked out of school for protesting against the genocide in Gaza.
What makes you think any of these people want to turn around and vote for a law-and-order ex-DA who’s ignoring some of the worst atrocities of our times?
Everyone in this generation who isn’t jaded and disillusioned is a fascist or fascist sympathiser (same difference :p). No one has the energy to care let alone vote.
They probably won’t until establishment democrats keel over, and unfortunately it looks like medical science kept them alive and puttering until it was too late.
Boomers protested Vietnam. Millennials Iraq.
Kids want change. Sometimes that is for a good cause and sometimes it is about draining the swamp and hurting others.
But if you needed to be convinced that it was worth voting against a rapist fascist who hid nothing? You were never an ally.
Its not that they need convincing to vote against it, its that they needed to be convinced their vote would even fucking do anything.
Most of us are convinced that we’re dying in the climate wars before we hit middle age regardless of who we vote for, the rest where the dipshits that went out and voted for Trump.
Things don’t work that way. It is much easier to tear something down. This election was about the old neoliberals vs. populist MAGA. There was no one playing for the progressives or democratic socialism on that field.
Now Trump and his ilk might fuck their little coup up and end up losing power in the midterms, but it’ll probably be back in the direction of rule of law neoliberal politics. If you want to see your voice being heard first you need someone that will listen. If you believe in human rights and basic equality Trump and MAGA aren’t it. Elon Musk will not be listening to you and doesn’t give a shit about regular folks. Those tech bros are happy that opiates are available to occupy the unemployed useless masses.
And a rapist openly running on project 2025 would not be any “fucking” different?
Would it make my life and the lives of millions of other Americans easier by not having a target painted on our backs for probably as long as our country stands? (We’ll probably never see another election again IMO) Yeah sure, that’s why I voted for Khamala.
That being said she wasn’t going to do anything to meaningfully stop the horrors of late stage capitalism. Either way I’m probably going to die by middle age in the climate wars.
Its just now that they’ll happen even sooner, and now I have to worry about being put in a camp because of my prescription to estrogen.
Ones certainly worse, but neither actually seemingly give me the possibility of living a full and happy life. Even if I do make it to old age I’ll be living in a dying world, clinging to whatever habitable sliver of earth I’d have the privilege of finding.
Honestly until we start being friendly and share cookies with the ghouls hiding behind the funds managed by Americas institutional investment firms which collectively own everything, I don’t think we’ll be solving anything.
Its just now that they’ll happen even sooner, and now I have to worry about being put in a camp because of my prescription to estrogen.
And that alone should have been reason enough for anyone who actually gave even the slightest of shits.
Growing up is realizing you aren’t going to win. But you can lessen harm.
Yeah except that for previous generations not “winning” wasn’t an inherent global existential threat.
Its hard to be motivated when you know either way you’re not getting the full life you where promised. Especially when the issue at hand is someone else’s problem. (From the perspective of my cis Gen Z counterparts.)
I’m not saying its the right way to operate, I’m saying its how lots of people do naturally. Its unfortunately human, and its taken advantage of by design.
Its easy to keep people preoccupied when they’re a weeks pay away from starvation.
I think she got so many votes because she wasn’t Trump. And thats it. She was so frustrating as a candidate who was “super Law and Order DA from liberal land, California. She’s the best of both worlds!”
Christ she was so bad at being charismatic. I liked her when she made fun of Trump so hard he refused to ever debate her again. But then she tried to play both sides and toured with Liz Cheney. It’s like, the entire message of her failed campaign will look at all the answers but the right one: she wasn’t an active evil fascist. She just supported fascism her whole life and learned to make concessions to sound more progressive. Gen Z will learn to hate the DNC.
She had a lot of potential as a candidate that the DNC just refused to use.
Just like Bernie
Most boomers don’t know what it’s like to work 40+ hours a week. Their parents made the system better, and they assume they didn’t fuck it up.
I’d say that they don’t remember. They probably did when they first started out. Their first starting out phase was much shorter though.
Um, life was maybe easy-ish for some boomers. Plenty of them got reamed by the many boom/bust cycles. Boomers lived through stagflation, two oil embargoes, Vietnam, the 80s fad of downsizing/rightsizing, many losing farms in the 80s, the 90s rush to offshore and outsource everything, the deskilling of Americans and the export of most manufacturing, NAFTA reordering things, the rise of big box retailers and further deskilling, the disintegration of unions, the Wall Street crash of 1987, the dot-com bubble burst in early 00s, the real-estate crash in 2008, etc. Gen X and millennials suffered some of these later ones, too, or dealt with the fallout from their parents having these struggles.
The ageist shit is just a distraction. Generations are not really a thing; it’s more of a marketing strategy and also a way for the elites to further atomize Americans. Don’t fall for it.
It is more about how policies were set at the national level. Those policies have benefited them throughout their lifetimes. Boomers going to college. College is affordable. Boomers buying house make family. House good and affordable on one wage. Boomers working hard providing for wife and 2.5 kiddos. Jobs pay good and has pension. Family affordable one wage. Boomers retiring???
Yeah anyone is capable of taking their situation for granted.
