Before I begin, this is a genuine question for the help desk. All of it is relevant. My experience with help desks brings me to fear this is going to be removed, but I have enough faith in its fairness to try.

So first of all, hi. The fediverse is more confusing than I thought it would be. I am from ML (first comment there right now confirms it, also I previously mentioned we were the same on a message about dueling, which sparked this whole situation in the first place) but was told by an admin to register a WTF in order to post some things because of how much was invisible from ML (not because I was banned from any instance but just because potentially anything can affect something’s visibility) and because I needed to post here after I was mentioned. I was mentioned in an anti-troll message as “an alt of shinigamiookamiryuu”, which is false, as shown by the fact I am clearly not banned from ML like she is (and yes, she is a she, I even have documentation of actual voice chats and even video chats to prove it, not the ones that aren’t of her. And no she is not some warlock-looking person whose picture was taken and brightened by people trying to expose her, she has a picture with big bold letters confirming it’s her that predates the first picture which was a Halloween prop commissioned to a friend who could do silhouette stock clipart. And that individual had her picture taken again and was confirmed to be a woman but then was misgendered anyways in another famous feud, showing those who diagnose gender are BS.). If I sound like her, it’s because we commission messages and parts of messages stuff for each other, which isn’t uncommon on here either, cough cough Blaze cough cough Cheese Greater cough cough Drag cough cough, sorry my throat caught a bone.

I’m allowing myself to go on that tangent because one of the two reasons I came here to this help desk today because I would like to ask what can be done about that faux anti-troll message and all the other ones across different names that mention me, because of all the associations it puts together (e.g. if me = someone = nazi, it would mean me = nazi, and that’s false). It attacks me (and by extension my projects) though it spreads false rumors about a number of us (dare I bring up people allow that to ignite fury in ourselves, other members, and even eyes-bigger-than-stomach admins when the rest of us are asked to standby by others). I can’t really see why, as VPNs work in the fediverse like jedi mind tricks work on Watto, so I should be able to confirm (to all but the few people who are unaffected and seem fed up by the constant hounding, as well as the admins who express disagreement (as well as confirm through not wanting to ban Leni that she is legit and not some impostor of any kind; i.e. she and her supposed achievements were vetted) with the masses who are still sour even when the subject yields) that I’m not an alt of someone who was banned from ML. I’m not even a Republican, a feat considering they’re half the nation, whether or not someone is going to argue I only have to specify that due to it not being a bipartisan issue. Unlike the Luigi issue (which she is trying to curb in the community, as per community Rule Six and as per the TOS, as most of us would do if we came across Axis-Power-inspired hate speech), which should be cracked down on if even those who say they’re all for free speech are cracking down on anything remotely related to Musk. I am 100% Social Democrat and think Musk overestimated his defense (I’d even deport him if I was Trump), which is why it hurts even more when I’m the one who is a victim of others’ dependence on being spoonfed by very testy and violent people when peoples’ power to ask for everyone’s perspective (before forgoing boundaries) is often all it takes for the malicious side to stop growing (heck, I have looked into it, and I noticed they are more transphobic and even faker than they accused her of being).

The other reason I am here is to ask something related to one of the points above. It seems advocacy of violence for some causes are openly discussed (whether they’re actually allowed or not) but advocacy of violence for other causes are not. In the example I gave, I mentioned that people get away with saying alarming things about the CEO’s while discussing Musk is off the table. Where the Hell do you draw the line? I see that seeming hypocrisy and I almost want to recommend ye olde forums as Elaine and Leni are familiar with because I’ve been there too and that’s where all the diehards are.

  • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.ee
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    21 hours ago

    Nobody “pays” anyone. We just try to adapt to what we do and don’t have access/visibility to. Some of it is cross-verbatim. Saying anyone should be treated as the same as another individual for saying things they wanted to be said is like saying one classmate should be expelled from school for relaying things on behalf of another classmate. I do not encourage address doxxing, but I can say without a doubt that, if someone were to do that on us, there wouldn’t be any repeated results. We are simply not related in any way except doing things on behalf of each other (sometimes word for word), and the fact no rule enforcer (keep in mind they can see when people have doubles, in fact you can probably ask one directly) has ever called me a ban evader should be the smoking gun of that.

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      17 hours ago

      Alright so whoever wrote “commission” used the wrong word. I can’t tell which parts were written by which person and that is a problem. You are doomed to repeat this drama until you all stop. IMO, you should especially fire whoever keeps writing posts like this from your writing group, it is written incredibly badly and uniquely identifies them.

      Your analogy does not apply to this situation at all because this is an online anonymous discussion. If I were a mod and banned one of you for breaking a rule, I would ban the other because you all sound exactly the same and that is a red flag for ban evasion. There are no quotes used or any indicator that the account holder did not write the content. Lemmy does not have a ban evasion system the way reddit has, the two different instance admins can share with one another IP addresses and email addresses. This can be easily overcome. Whereas reddit invasively fingerprints you and even that can be side stepped.

      There is no smoking gun for your side, this drama is so dumb and terminally online. I suggest if you want to quote one another, do it properly. I think that would clear up the misunderstanding. Or you are all trolls. Who knows.

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        13 hours ago

        Whatever is going on, it’s impossible to tell. I honestly am tempted to write an SCP article where people are cursed to be unable to be understood, and use these entries as examples.

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          6 hours ago

          I looked at the user you linked but they do not sound how I was describing. The question they asked was confusing but it was not a rambling nightmare. Look at these two links:

          https://lemm.ee/post/53623301 (this is your post in c/PTB)

          https://www.tumblr.com/deviantartdramahub/774992292343873536/hello-i-am-new-here-i-came-over-from-the-lemmy?source=share (this is what you linked to as your perspective)

          The above is definitely you (long walls of text, incoherent at times, my brain feels like it is melting, I do not understand your point, etc.). I knew this post was pretty much you because it sounds just like the links I linked to above. That’s why I thought you were all the same person. I finally read your perspective on tumblr and it confirmed that this is a terminally online, possibly the dumbest drama I’ve read and I do not want to talk about it anymore.

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            5 hours ago

            I never said it wasn’t me. But the anon isn’t. The way messages there work is you say something in a private exchange, and that only becomes visible when the person you sent it to responds. The response is mine, but the anonymous inquiry isn’t.

            I use that to explain my perspective. I don’t refer to myself there as if it’s not me it’s talking about (why would anyone who has read it get the impression I do). I’m not sure why “obsessive” is the first word that comes to peoples’ minds (or why others get off the hook), what I deal with simply has an exhausting persistence and I wonder when it will end.

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              4 hours ago

              ??? I have no idea what you are on about. I know you definitely wrote the content because you claimed to have written the content. I understand you are exhausted but I really don’t want to talk about this anymore.