Before I begin, this is a genuine question for the help desk. All of it is relevant. My experience with help desks brings me to fear this is going to be removed, but I have enough faith in its fairness to try.
So first of all, hi. The fediverse is more confusing than I thought it would be. I am from ML (first comment there right now confirms it, also I previously mentioned we were the same on a message about dueling, which sparked this whole situation in the first place) but was told by an admin to register a WTF in order to post some things because of how much was invisible from ML (not because I was banned from any instance but just because potentially anything can affect something’s visibility) and because I needed to post here after I was mentioned. I was mentioned in an anti-troll message as “an alt of shinigamiookamiryuu”, which is false, as shown by the fact I am clearly not banned from ML like she is (and yes, she is a she, I even have documentation of actual voice chats and even video chats to prove it, not the ones that aren’t of her. And no she is not some warlock-looking person whose picture was taken and brightened by people trying to expose her, she has a picture with big bold letters confirming it’s her that predates the first picture which was a Halloween prop commissioned to a friend who could do silhouette stock clipart. And that individual had her picture taken again and was confirmed to be a woman but then was misgendered anyways in another famous feud, showing those who diagnose gender are BS.). If I sound like her, it’s because we commission messages and parts of messages stuff for each other, which isn’t uncommon on here either, cough cough Blaze cough cough Cheese Greater cough cough Drag cough cough, sorry my throat caught a bone.
I’m allowing myself to go on that tangent because one of the two reasons I came here to this help desk today because I would like to ask what can be done about that faux anti-troll message and all the other ones across different names that mention me, because of all the associations it puts together (e.g. if me = someone = nazi, it would mean me = nazi, and that’s false). It attacks me (and by extension my projects) though it spreads false rumors about a number of us (dare I bring up people allow that to ignite fury in ourselves, other members, and even eyes-bigger-than-stomach admins when the rest of us are asked to standby by others). I can’t really see why, as VPNs work in the fediverse like jedi mind tricks work on Watto, so I should be able to confirm (to all but the few people who are unaffected and seem fed up by the constant hounding, as well as the admins who express disagreement (as well as confirm through not wanting to ban Leni that she is legit and not some impostor of any kind; i.e. she and her supposed achievements were vetted) with the masses who are still sour even when the subject yields) that I’m not an alt of someone who was banned from ML. I’m not even a Republican, a feat considering they’re half the nation, whether or not someone is going to argue I only have to specify that due to it not being a bipartisan issue. Unlike the Luigi issue (which she is trying to curb in the community, as per community Rule Six and as per the TOS, as most of us would do if we came across Axis-Power-inspired hate speech), which should be cracked down on if even those who say they’re all for free speech are cracking down on anything remotely related to Musk. I am 100% Social Democrat and think Musk overestimated his defense (I’d even deport him if I was Trump), which is why it hurts even more when I’m the one who is a victim of others’ dependence on being spoonfed by very testy and violent people when peoples’ power to ask for everyone’s perspective (before forgoing boundaries) is often all it takes for the malicious side to stop growing (heck, I have looked into it, and I noticed they are more transphobic and even faker than they accused her of being).
The other reason I am here is to ask something related to one of the points above. It seems advocacy of violence for some causes are openly discussed (whether they’re actually allowed or not) but advocacy of violence for other causes are not. In the example I gave, I mentioned that people get away with saying alarming things about the CEO’s while discussing Musk is off the table. Where the Hell do you draw the line? I see that seeming hypocrisy and I almost want to recommend ye olde forums as Elaine and Leni are familiar with because I’ve been there too and that’s where all the diehards are.
If I sound like her, it’s because we commission messages and parts of messages stuff for each other
So you, Leni, shinigami, and who knows who else at this point all sound the same because you pay each other to write messages for one another? I admit you all sound the same and I thought you all were the same person: you write long walls of text, you put a bunch of random links in your messages (leading from tumblr to YouTube to deviant art, etc.), and I always feel like my brain is melting when I read your messages.
Did it occur to you that if all of you are writing messages for and with each other on a regular basis on your lemmy accounts to the point people can’t tell the difference, that you all are alts then? All 3 or more of you share these accounts like alts. All of you should stop doing that, all you’ve accomplished is confusion and misleading people into thinking you are trolls. Especially when you drag in Blaze, Cheese Greater, and Drag into this to create more drama? Either you are one singular troll, one person in a system, or separate individuals that are very misguided, possible trolls. This is dumb drama.
They aren’t complete messages we are doing for each other. Typically they’re parts of messages, and then we try to work around those.
CraigOhMyEggo is “NiotaBunny” on Reddit, aka one of Shinigamiookamiryuu’s/Leni’s/Triagonal’s personas.
Leni/Triagonal pretends to have DID on the “NiotaBunny” persona accounts because the real Niotabunny they’re impersonating (who is on DeviantArt and changed their username after Leni/Triagonal stole it to use on Reddit) actually has DID. The real NiotaBunny changed their username to Shinigamiookamiryuu but changed it again after Leni/Triagonal stole it to use on Lemmy. They sign up using the usernames of people on DeviantArt who exposed them for the things mentioned in the other post, particularly the things they said to a boy they knew was only 14.
Leni’s/shinigamiookamiryuu’s DeviantArt account was Triagonal, and on that account they stated that the NiotaBunny account on Reddit is theirs. They then attempt to gaslight/sealion people whenever this is brought up.
They recently messed up by referring to an easily findable comment they made on their main Lemmy account in the first person on their “NiotaBunny” sockpuppet account on Reddit, twisting what actually went down and complaining about downvotes.
The thread in question. Only the Leni/Shini account commented. When people point out them pretending to have DID on a sockpuppet account they use to impersonate a DeviantArt member who actually has DID, they will deliberately twist their words and complain that “people are denying that DID exists” (when that’s not being said) as a way to manipulate.
Niotabunny responded to this misunderstanding. The two halves of their first sentence doesn’t even sound the same. They and CraigOhMyEggo are not me, I am not them, and putting words in peoples’ mouth does not make them their words, no matter what excuse you want to give to say it’s right to put words in someone’s mouth, including with things I said to some person three years ago that you feel the right to go everywhere to “expose”. They’re my words and my intentions to elaborate on, and in one of those cases, even how it came across wasn’t negative. Funny how you validate your own speculation before invalidating someone’s explicitly mentioned DID (which I don’t have and never said I had).
@Serinus@lemmy.world a little help please?
You literally said that you own the NiotaBunny account on Reddit on your now-permabanned DeviantArt account, Triagonal.
When people bring this up, you attempt to gaslight them. Your link goes to a post that you posted on your NiotaBunny Reddit account, and you accidentally used “I” to refer to a comment about detergent instructions you posted on this account. I’ve included screenshots of that in my previous comment.
Nobody is invalidating anyone. I wasn’t even replying or talking to you. I’m pointing out to the other person that when you make an impersonation account, you will sometimes try to emulate specific traits of whoever you’re impersonating. You also did this on your Art-Dude Newgrounds account. Art-Dude was a forum regular on DeviantArt from the UK who you didn’t like, because he didn’t take your side on things, and on your Art-Dude Newgrounds account you put your location as being from a place in the UK. You gaslight about this in your bio.
which I don’t have and never said I had
Not on this account you don’t. But you have other accounts where you try to pretend to be other people.
Let’s say you asked someone “is this your car” and they responded “I acquired it for the time due to urgency, yes”. Then a week later you ask them for a ride, and they respond that it was a rental vehicle and that they don’t have it anymore. Are you going to take it out on them?
for the time being
^
And what I meant by that is they were “ghostwriting” for me, which goes even deeper than the “commissioning” I mentioned.
You’re probably going to keep dangling that misunderstanding over peoples’ heads and you’re only going to get the same response each time. It’s not “gaslighting”, it’s literally pointing out not everything is as simple as you claim.
If a marriage document was written with the nuance we said those things in, including what you claim about the “I” (which actually throws your claims about DID into question), it wouldn’t be legally binding because they’re so situationally specific.
All this coming from the same person (you) who thinks I’m a compulsive liar. If you think I’m a compulsive liar, why do you take things I say that suit you as gospel? I would speculate it’s because that’s not what this is all about.
If you’re so convinced that I have ever set out to impersonate anyone, that I ever said I was from the UK, or even that the other Niotabunny has DID, cite an example of any instance where this was outright mentioned. For starters, you act like there isn’t a Leicester right South of Rochester where I’ve been for a while.
If you’re so convinced that I have ever set out to impersonate anyone, that I ever said I was from the UK
Your Newgrounds account, attempting to impersonate Art-Dude, a forum regular from DeviantArt who wasn’t on your side when you said those things to a 14 year old boy, and then you attempted to gaslight in the profile description about a site being “mistaken” in case someone happens to find the real Art-Dude and begins to get suspicious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester
What’s up with you stealing other people’s art on this account of yours? https://www.artgram.co/xxoreothecrowxx
Does the real xxoreothecrowxx know about this?
Your actual art looks like this: https://buzzly.art/~Twonaps/art/my-buzzly-oc
The real Twonaps changed his name after he realized you took it.
Your Newgrounds account, attempting to impersonate Art-Dude, a forum regular from DeviantArt who wasn’t on your side when you said those things to a 14 year old boy, and then you attempted to gaslight in the profile description about a site being “mistaken” in case someone happens to find the real Art-Dude and begins to get suspicious.
That’s called quelling misunderstandings. Would you rather I hadn’t clarified anything? The site also operates on a very different naming system, hence the generic name, which is gender-neutral.
As for the art, I changed mediums and got into trading. Big deal. If you think I’ve stolen art, show me the original.
You didn’t “change mediums”. You posted those stolen drawings on an impersonation account 5 months ago. https://www.artgram.co/a/practice-Gx5cxo
Now here’s what you posted 26 days ago. https://lemmy.wtf/post/15395954/12175437
More art from you on your TheCunningCondor Artstation account. (Does the real TheCunningCondor know you took his username?)
Are you telling me and everyone else here that you just so happened to lose the ability to shade, do decent linework, and draw hands and faces within the span of just 5 months? Changing mediums doesn’t cause you to forget basic anatomy or color theory.
You are an art thief. I advise you to stop making up excuses and stop lying.
Nobody “pays” anyone. We just try to adapt to what we do and don’t have access/visibility to. Some of it is cross-verbatim. Saying anyone should be treated as the same as another individual for saying things they wanted to be said is like saying one classmate should be expelled from school for relaying things on behalf of another classmate. I do not encourage address doxxing, but I can say without a doubt that, if someone were to do that on us, there wouldn’t be any repeated results. We are simply not related in any way except doing things on behalf of each other (sometimes word for word), and the fact no rule enforcer (keep in mind they can see when people have doubles, in fact you can probably ask one directly) has ever called me a ban evader should be the smoking gun of that.
Alright so whoever wrote “commission” used the wrong word. I can’t tell which parts were written by which person and that is a problem. You are doomed to repeat this drama until you all stop. IMO, you should especially fire whoever keeps writing posts like this from your writing group, it is written incredibly badly and uniquely identifies them.
Your analogy does not apply to this situation at all because this is an online anonymous discussion. If I were a mod and banned one of you for breaking a rule, I would ban the other because you all sound exactly the same and that is a red flag for ban evasion. There are no quotes used or any indicator that the account holder did not write the content. Lemmy does not have a ban evasion system the way reddit has, the two different instance admins can share with one another IP addresses and email addresses. This can be easily overcome. Whereas reddit invasively fingerprints you and even that can be side stepped.
There is no smoking gun for your side, this drama is so dumb and terminally online. I suggest if you want to quote one another, do it properly. I think that would clear up the misunderstanding. Or you are all trolls. Who knows.
You mean nobody else comes to mind, it’s just two specific people?
Whatever is going on, it’s impossible to tell. I honestly am tempted to write an SCP article where people are cursed to be unable to be understood, and use these entries as examples.
Okay, for fucks sake, people gotta learn to self edit
And that’s coming from one long winded, rambling motherfucker.
I hate it when people just say they aren’t reading all of that, because why bother.
But come the fuck on, do you really expect anyone to wade through that? This is a support community for lemmy.world issues, and that is not a support ticket, it’s chaos in text form.
Whatever the case, it’s there in response to those times when people express doubt over one’s point of view without being able to look into things without aid. The burden is on those who come to make a judgment without being called biased to read it.
If I sound like her, it’s because we commission messages and parts of messages stuff for each other, which isn’t uncommon on here either, cough cough Blaze cough cough Cheese Greater cough cough Drag cough cough, sorry my throat caught a bone.
Why am I mentioned here?
Also, this might get removed, but I hope it won’t as the new post in that saga
Same, no idea. I dont commission anything or one or otherwise coordinate in any way I at all really
Edit: it was super weird for them to drag me into this, please handle dramas that dont involve me seperately, thanks. Don’t appreciate being a prop people use to try to save their own skins or create pseudo-associations with me for unknown reasons OP (whoever you are)
I just mentioned you as an example of something. Dragging you into the conflict itself was not my intention.
You, Cheese Greater, and Drag are (aside from Leni at this point) the most well-known fedizens for the way all of you cross-inspire each other and everyone else, especially in Cheese Greater’s case.
Also, this might get removed, but I hope it won’t as the new post in that saga
It would be hypocritical if it was, since the other post, the one this one is a reply to, is still up. I have faith in this community though. It won’t let me down.
Wait, who’s Cheese Grater?
That rodent owes me money!
Fr tho, I have no idea wats going on here or why I’m at all relevant haha
If anybody is accusing you of being an alt of Call Me Lenny/Leni, it’s because neither of you seem to know how to write for readability. “Wade through my manifesto to hear that I’m just asking you guys to remove a post” doesn’t really feel like a good way to get people on your side.
I’d say ‘no offense,’ but I’m not the only person here who isn’t always medicated trying to read this stuff, and it’s just like… straight up assault. And there are tools you can use so you don’t have to change anything!
Here. I ran this through ChatGPT. I literally told it, “rewrite this to be concise and for readability.” And then when it spit out half the words you wrote, I put it through ChatGPT again, and this is what I got-
"Hello,
I’m reaching out to the help desk with a genuine question. The fediverse is more confusing than I expected. I’m from ML, and I was told by an admin to register a WTF account to post content due to visibility issues from ML, not because I was banned. I was also mentioned in an anti-troll message as being an alt of someone banned from ML, which is false. I’m not banned from ML, and I can prove it with documentation. I understand that I may sound like this person since we occasionally collaborate on messages, but we are not the same individual.
My main concern is the false anti-troll message and others that link me to false associations, like being labeled a Nazi, which harms my reputation and projects. I’d like to know what can be done about this, as it’s spreading misinformation. I’m not an alt of anyone banned, and I’m not even politically aligned with the individual in question.
Additionally, I’m noticing a double standard when it comes to advocacy of violence. Some violent rhetoric is allowed, particularly regarding figures like Musk, while other forms are not. How is the line between acceptable and unacceptable content drawn, and why is there this apparent hypocrisy? I’m frustrated with the inconsistent enforcement and would appreciate clarification.
Thank you."
You wrote 842 words to say, “I was hoping you could remove the anti-troll post, and also I’m not an alt, and also I’m gonna name a bunch of people to throw shade.” Jesus.
Good use of ChatGPT
Thanks. I did manage to read the original post but my eyes kept sliding through the lines, and it just wouldn’t stick you know?
And any time I tell someone, no matter how politely, on Lemmy that I (and a buncha other people) would really benefit from an edit for readability, I get push back. ChatGPT it is. It might make your point in HR-speak, but at least I can internalize it.
“Wade through my manifesto to hear that I’m just asking you guys to remove a post” doesn’t really feel like a good way to get people on your side.
Listening to the other person didn’t seem to come off as a problem. And he assembled arguments and citations like they were tetrominoes.
It absolutely was. Lots of people in the comments were saying they weren’t going to check all their links or read the whole thing. If you look, I didn’t have a top level comment, and this is precisely why.
Well, that and because everyone else already said what I would’ve said; “I’m not going to read this” or “you want me to watch a fucking YouTube video?”
No one here wants to wade through a bunch of bullshit to try and read the points any of you think you’re making. If you want people on your side, you’ll need to clean up your posts, make your points as concisely and cleanly as possible, and for God’s sake, if someone tells you “stop talking about this” or “block people and move on,” do that. Don’t just keep posting a link to someone telling you politely to shut up over and over and over again!
That would not fit the particular situation.
If anybody is accusing you of being an alt of Call Me Lenny/Leni, it’s because neither of you seem to know how to write for readability.
It takes thirty seconds to see what instances someone has posted in and which ones they’re banned from. You all used language (which, again, is because we commission each other to include things in each of our posts) to conflate me with her when all you had to do was use the modlogs. If she is seeing all of this right now, I wouldn’t be phased if she withdrew that promise of hers. People are just impossible.
The only mistake I made in my explanation was in not elaborating that the “true” of the two pictures was a stand-in.
It’s not a hard rule you broke, but you also used “nested parentheses”.
Unless you mean “air parentheses” which is often what that means, without them, “nested nested parentheses” would be impossible.
I’ve literally never accused you of being the same person. My point here was I can see why someone would say that, because your posts are almost unreadable.
Unreadability is a circumstance. Nobody owns that. It can describe several of us. And yet it’s not all that objective.
I mean you talked about how the two of you collaborate on messages, right? So it shouldn’t be a surprise to you that your posts are very similar in the way they’re difficult to read.
That’s what I was just saying.
This whole comment chain started with you jumping me because you thought I was accusing you of being an alt, which I didn’t, and also telling me to “check the mod logs,” which I can’t, because I’m a regular user.
You might be confusing me for someone else? I’m just a person who, when I see posts that are, like, impossible for an ADHD person to read, I speak up about it.
All the instances I’ve been on have freely accessibly modlogs. If you don’t have access to modlogs somewhere on your instance’s home page,
your mods have abandoned youyou have been cheated.
