Apparently there’s an issue with some instances banning users for criticizing authoritarian governments. Is lemmy.world a safe place to criticize governments?

  • FlaxPicker@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    i mean lemmy.world server is in germany, but the guy who runs it is dutch so probably has a pretty open policy with freedom of speech i would imagine. And i mean real freedom of speech not the dog whistle for being a dick/racist/phobe

      • GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        Does that mean that you find everything in this thread that hasn’t yet been removed to fall within those bounds? (excluding very new stuff that you might not have gotten to)

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          My thought process is that if you’re overtly rude and crude and lump one type of people into one group indiscriminately that’s not free speech. Also this is not the US government or run by the US government. So Free Speech doesn’t necessarily apply.

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            I’m the first one to say that an uncritical and crassly-applied “free speech” ideology is deleterious, but it’s the First Amendment that doesn’t apply, not the concept of Free Speech itself. Under the Constitution, you are free not to apply the concept of Free Speech yourself since the First Amendment doesn’t apply to your moderation, but that does not answer the question of whether you should or not.

            Of course, my answer is that some speech is worth protecting and some is not and questions of natural rights have nothing to do with that, so the chauvinistic redditors posting social credit score memes that were tired years ago and thoroughly debunked don’t need a platform, but that’s just my take on the matter.

            Oh yeah, and the “orc” meme is clearly racist, but that’s why I worded my original question the way I did.

            Thank you for your time and have a good day.

    • EndOfLine@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Doesn’t Germany have laws against certain hate speech? Would those laws apply to lemmy.world and it’s hosted content?

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        1 year ago

        [IANAL] In Germany only specific types of hate speech are criminal. These are:

        • Use of Nazi symbols and slogans for other than artistic or educational purposes (things like the Swastika, the SS logo, or the Nazi salute, but not more modern versions like the “white power” guesture and similar)
        • Direct calls for violence against groups or individuals
        • Denying that the Holocaust happened or trivializing it’s extend

        Other forms of hate speech might be cause for civil suits or may oblige the platform provider to remove your speech, but do not rise to a criminal offence.

        Again: I am not a lawyer.

      • Lols@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        you continue to use freedom of speech and dont give them the satisfaction of coopting it